<html> One of the first rebuilders I saw do a pinblock used waxed paper or saran-wrap type stuff.  I think it was waxed paper.  We let it set overnight and came back the next day to find it released quite nicely.  Have you tried it or had problems with it?  I've declined so far to use epoxy, but may try it to put on finishing touches. Wally Wilson  At 09:44 AM 1/5/02 +1100, you wrote: <blockquote type=cite cite>Terry, Del and all, <blockquote><blockquote type=cite cite> <dl> <dd>----- Original Message -----</blockquote> <dd>From: <a href="mailto:mfarrel2@tampabay.rr.com">Terry Farrell</a></blockquote> <dd>Hello Del. When you wax your plate flange, you must use some thin, wipe-on type of wax, such that it doesn't fill small depressions that may be present in the plate flange surface - or is that not really a big deal? What do you do. </blockquote> </dl>We grind the plate flanges to remove the small depressions before applying the release agent, otherwise there is a risk of the epoxy keying the pinblock to the plate. While this will be less of a problem with single flanged plates, our pianos have a flange either side of the pin block (front and rear). Since we epoxy fit the plank to both flange faces (before the plank is fitted to the case - while screwed to the plate), we would run a big risk of gluing it in for keeps, unless the plate flanges are free of depressions. <blockquote><blockquote type=cite cite> <dl> <dd> How thick do you make your epoxy mixture - peanut butter?</blockquote></blockquote></blockquote> </dl>We use an Australian made paste-like industrial epoxy which has similar strength properties to West System (which we use for other uses such as gluing up our multi-laminated bridge caps).<blockquote><blockquote type=cite cite> <dl> <dd> Also, when you put your epoxy mixture in, what is your exact procedure in order to avoid having excess epoxy migrate to the area between the pinblock top and the plate web bottom and thus impair the fit. Do you screw the pinblock to the plate first and then mooosh epoxy into any small gaps between the pinblock and flange? Or do you put a bead of epoxy on the flange edge of the pinblock and draw it into the flange somehow? Thanks.</blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=cite cite> </dl>The wax is standard floor wax.</blockquote> Ditto. <blockquote type=cite cite> Others use a spray-on mold release. Either works. The consistency is about like peanut butter. The pinblock is shaped for a good wood-to-flange fit first. Then the epoxy matrix is troweled on to the pinblock (front) surface with a suitable putty knife and the pinblock is screwed in place. There may be some migration up over the top because there is inevitably some space between the top of the pinblock and the bottom of the plate tuning pin panel. Unless, of course, you've done a perfect fit along the top as well. I've never managed to do that quite. The excess will clean off. When the epoxy has cured, disassemble the pinblock and clean it up. Knock off the squeeze-out along the edges, etc. I go over the whole thing with 60-grit sandpaper lightly to smooth of the roughness from the casting but not enough to alter the fit. There are other procedures that probably work just as well. This is mine. I use the epoxy matrix to improve an already good pinblock-to-plate fit. Others simply hack out the block on a bandsaw and use the epoxy matrix to mate the whole thing. That seems to work as well but I've never been comfortable with the idea of it. Del</blockquote> This has been my experience too Del. Epoxy should not be used as a fix for a poorly fitted block, it should be used to make a well fitted block near perfect. If used in this way, you will never have a problem with the paste type epoxy running around to the top face of the pin block. I'm sold on this idea of epoxy fitting blocks. It really helps tuning stability. Regards, Ron O -- OVERS PIANOS Grand Piano Manufacturers _____________________________ Web: <a href="http://www.overspianos.com.au/"= eudora="autourl">http://www.overspianos.com.au</a> Email: <a href="mailto:ron@overspianos.com.au"= eudora="autourl">mailto:ron@overspianos.com.au</a> _____________________________ </html>