<HTML>In a message dated 2/2/03 2:31:11 AM !!!First Boot!!!, sckline@attbi.com writes: <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I'm not tall (5'8") and not a guy, but I wonder if you sat on a bar stool just to the right of the piano for the high treble if that would help your back. Susan </BLOCKQUOTE> You can't use a bar stool on uprights because your knees hit the keybed, and then you can't reach the tuning pins, without over stretching your back. As far as grands are concerned, Alan, I agree with Avery. You shouldn't be standing tuning grands, unless you're doing the very last octave and you're right handed. And even then, it might be easier if you either turned the hammer around, or tuned left handed. Wim </HTML>