<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; = charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 5.50.4134.100" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Greetings!</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>First of all, many thanks to those who = responded to this post.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The only reason why I speculated on = whether or not pin-driving might help with consistency is because years ago, a = pin-driving job really did help.  The tighter pins didn't get a whole tighter, and = the looser pins became comfortably tight.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I did try tuning the piano.  A = church official (not the music director) was very curious in what I might find.  I commented that the pins looked unusually high in the block, which in = turn may cause some of the tuning problems the previous technicians had.  (I = was told during the appointment set-up call that other technicians have had = a miserable time with this piano, and that any insights I may have would = be greatly appreciated.)  As for my tuning efforts being any more = durable than those of the previous techs' -- I couldn't promise anything and made = sure that was understood, but I wanted to try tuning it just to get a feel on what = may be going on.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>So far, the church has promptly paid = the bill and I haven't heard a bad word yet about the tuning job not holding = up.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Meanwhile, the dealer got one of my = juicy reports complete with pictures about what I found and what I thought should = be done.  Haven't heard yet what course(s) of action they might be planning.  I'll let them decide how to proceed from here, and = whether or not they will get warranty authorization from the manufacturer.  I = well imagine that they will have one of their own do the pin-driving or even repinning job because it will be cheaper for them.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>This report is not the first this = dealer has received from me.  They have been known to take these reports = seriously so I trust that this mess will get resolved somehow.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>More wait and see ...</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Z! Reinhardt  RPT<BR>Ann = Arbor  MI<BR><A href="mailto:diskladame@provide.net">diskladame@provide.net</A></FONT><= /DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B> <A title=dnereson@dimensional.com = href="mailto:dnereson@dimensional.com">Dave Nereson</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, March 09, 2002 = 6:19 AM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Twist and Shout - = Follow up ?</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B> <A title=skolnik@attglobal.net = href="mailto:skolnik@attglobal.net">David Skolnik</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, March 08, 2002 = 11:28 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Twist and Shout - = Follow up ?</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV>Hi Zen-<BR>So what did you do?<BR><BR>David Skolnik<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>At 12:34 PM 02/13/2002 -0500, you = wrote:<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE class=cite type="cite" cite> <DIV><FONT face=arial size=2>Hear the notes change pitch while = the tuning pins <B>twist</B>!</FONT><BR> <BR><FONT face=arial = size=2>Hear the technician <B>shout</B> endless streams of obscenities!</FONT><BR> <BR><FONT face=arial size=2>(And = it's all happening at a church near you!)</FONT><BR> <BR><FONT = face=arial size=2>Hi Everyone --</FONT><BR> <BR><FONT face=arial size=2>Yesterday was one of those days.  I was called in by = a church to try to tune a piano that was notorious for not staying in = tune.  What I found was all of the tuning pins standing so high in the = pinblock that the bottoms of the coils were 10mm from the surface of the plate.  You read right -- 10mm, or 3/10 of an inch.  = (Yes, I shot pictures of this, but I still have to get the film = developed.  No, I didn't swear out loud, but it wouldn't surprise me if others = before me had.)</FONT><BR> <BR><FONT face=arial size=2>Pin = torque was all over the map.  Some pins turned smoothly and didn't pose = serious problems in being set.  Others were murderously tight.  = Only one was bordering on loose.  What I'm wondering is, will pounding = these pins to a proper height help bring about some sort of uniformity = of torque or will it make the tight ones tighter = still?</FONT><BR> <BR><FONT face=arial size=2>Concerning the tight pins -- does anyone = know of any cute tricks for slightly easing that tightness?  I'm going to = work on getting authorization to do the pin-pounding job, and I'd like to = be able to leave some semblence of consistency of pin torque when I'm done.</FONT><BR> <BR><FONT face=arial size=2>Any insights = would be greatly appreciated.  Thank you.</FONT><BR><FONT face=arial = size=2>Z! Reinhardt  RPT<BR>Ann Arbor  MI<BR><A = href="mailto:diskladame@provide.net">diskladame@provide.net</A></FONT><= /DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>    I'd bet that = driving them in would make them tighter still.  The loose one you can of = course replace with larger.  If the murderously tight ones are just = a few, I suppose you could take them out, ream the hole, and put them back in.  But if it's a lot of 'em, -- I'm not sure what I'd = do, short of removing them all, reaming and re-pinning.  Any type = of lube might make them too loose or ruin the pinblock, but I guess you = could experiment with one pin.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>    I'm sure = everyone has run into "frozen" regulating screws that break off.  I asked how = to remedy this once, and someone suggested heating them, which I = tried, first with a soldering iron, then a small torch -- didn't have much, if = any effect.  I had to just replace all the ones that broke.  = But has anyone tried to heat a tight tuning pin to make it expand, = hopefully enlarging the hole?  Are tuning pins tempered?   (I = realize I brought up more questions than answers).   --David = Nereson, RPT, = Denver</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>