<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; = charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2800.1276" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I must not have read the original tread = completely.  I guess I didn't realize that the backside of the bit = needed to be modified to form a secondary cutter.  Maybe I should have = read the entire thread.  I just remember I encountered this problem once = installing a player system on a newer Chickering grand.  They use "T" nuts on = the top of the keybed to fasten the lyre.  When I needed to move the lyre = forward it took a little head scratching & tool modification to get the job done.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>On a side note; that Chickering install = was the most difficult I've ever done.  There was so little room in the = action cavity to put my sensors and cords.</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B> <A title=mcpiano@globetrotter.net href="mailto:mcpiano@globetrotter.net">Marcel Carey</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">Pianotech</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, December 21, 2003 = 1:50 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: pedal lyre screws = are obsolete</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=375284618-21122003><FONT face=Arial = color=#0000ff size=2>Yes Mike, this works. It was described somewhere in the Journal in the = 80's (I think Suzan Graham had written this tip). The way the spade birt works = you have to understand. The bit will cut from the shank side (you have to = make a cutting edge on the OPPOSITE side of the tip of the bit). Then you = insert the bit with the shank pointing down and protruding from under the keybed. = Then you attach the drill to the bit and drill PULLING from under (kind of = reverse drilling).</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=375284618-21122003><FONT face=Arial = color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=375284618-21122003><FONT face=Arial = color=#0000ff size=2>Marcel Carey, RPT</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=375284618-21122003><FONT face=Arial = color=#0000ff size=2>Sherbrooke, QC</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px = solid"> <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT = face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> = pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Mike Bratcher<BR><B>Sent:</B> 21 décembre, 2003 12:49<BR><B>To:</B> Pianotech<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: pedal lyre screws are obsolete<BR><BR></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>"...Next, drill out the holes where = the screws were, also get a spade drill bit the size of the outside diameter of = the "T" nuts, and make a cutting edge on the opposite side of the bit from = the edge. That way you can use it to<BR>countersink the place to put the "T" = nut in the key bed and be out of the<BR>way of the = keyframe...."</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I don't think this will work.  = You will need to get a right angle drill attachment to fit between the = pinblock and the keybed.  I've done this before and I had to get a forsner = bit and cut the shank off to a nub, and it was still tight.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Mike Bratcher</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>----- Original Message ----- = </FONT> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>From: "kenneth.gerler" = <</FONT><A href="mailto:kenneth.gerler@prodigy.net"><FONT face=Arial size=2>kenneth.gerler@prodigy.net</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>To: <</FONT><A href="mailto:Alpha88x@aol.com"><FONT face=Arial size=2>Alpha88x@aol.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial = size=2>>; "PTG Forum" <</FONT><A href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org"><FONT face=Arial size=2>pianotech@ptg.org</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial = size=2>></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2003 = 9:15 AM</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Subject: Re: pedal lyre screws are obsolete</FONT></DIV></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial><BR><FONT size=2></FONT></FONT></DIV><FONT = face=Arial size=2>> Julia,<BR>> When I ran into this problem, I went to = the hardware store and bought some<BR>> bolts(after measuring the = length needed to go through both the lyre and the<BR>> keybed) and "T" = nuts (bolts the same diameter as the old wood screws). Next,<BR>> = drill out the holes where the screws were, also get a spade drill bit = the<BR>> size of the outside diameter of the "T" nuts, and make a cutting edge on the<BR>> opposite side of the bit from the edge. That way you can = use it to<BR>> countersink the place to put the "T" nut in the key bed = and be out of the<BR>> way of the keyframe. Slip the bit into the hole = (you previously drilled)<BR>> from the top of the keybed, attach you = drill to the bit hanging down from<BR>> the keybed and drill a depth that = will allow the "T" nut to clear the<BR>> keyframe when it is = reinserted. This repair will make the lyre like a lot of<BR>> the new pianos being = produced today and should last the lifetime of the<BR>> = piano.<BR>> <BR>> Ken Gerler<BR>> ----------------------------<BR>> = originial message<BR>> <BR>> greetings,<BR>> <BR>>             I = recently took on a job for a small church with a Hazelton<BR>> = Brothers 6' grand that the pedal lyre just fell off, because the lyre = sticks<BR>> came<BR>> out at one unknown time a long time ago and they kept = using the piano,<BR>> pedals<BR>> and all. This caused the pedal lyre to = "swing in the breeze" with use and as<BR>> a<BR>> consequence, the = whole pedal lyre fell off because the screws were worked<BR>> loose = from use.<BR>> <BR>> =              = Removing the remaining 2, (of 4)  5/16" diameter x 2 3/4" = long<BR>> screws resulted in a search for replacements only to find they are = no longer<BR>> made. Does anyone know where I can obtain such = obsolete fastners? Someone at<BR>> a<BR>> hardware store mentioned a = place named Constantine's in New York. Has anyone<BR>> heard of this = place? The national 1-800 directory assistance has no phone<BR>> = number<BR>> on them and typing in </FONT><A href="http://www.constantine"><FONT = face=Arial size=2>www.constantine</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2> = results in web page under construction<BR>> message, so I cannot even be sure if = this is the right constantine company.<BR>> <BR>> thanks,<BR>> = Julia Gottschall<BR>> piano rookie,<BR>> Reading, PA<BR>> = <BR>> <BR>> _______________________________________________<BR>> = pianotech list info: </FONT><A href="https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives"><FONT = face=Arial size=2>https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives</FONT></A> </BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>