<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; = charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 5.50.4522.1800" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV>Sandersons told me that yes, most of the canned tunings were based = on averages of some number of that model piano.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I don't really fully understand what is the point in this thread = regarding canned vs. FAC vs. inharmonicity changes. I don't think it really = matters which you use because you should always be listening and adjusting to make = your ears happy. I test a bunch of octaves right after doing my FAC or using the = FAC that I had last time and determine my major Double Octave Beat offsets right = off before I even start tuning. But I guess I feel that regardless of what = ETD you use, you will have to have some means of evaluating the calculated = tuning and then making whatever adjustments may be appropriate.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Terry Farrell</DIV> <DIV> <SPAN id=__#Ath#SignaturePos__></SPAN> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B> <A title=jrpiano@win.eastlink.ca = href="mailto:jrpiano@win.eastlink.ca">John Ross</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, December 23, 2001 = 2:46 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Stored Tunings v/s = FAC</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV>Hi Wim,</DIV> <DIV>I wonder, are the canned tunings an average, of a multiple of the = same model of piano? That would explain, why they may appear to be better = than a fresh FAC.</DIV> <DIV>I still do a fresh FAC, and seldom have to touch it up. But at = the University, with a bunch of one type, I do use the programmed = ones.</DIV> <DIV>Regards,</DIV> <DIV>John M. Ross<BR><A = href="mailto:jrpiano@win.eastlink.ca">jrpiano@win.eastlink.ca</A></DIV>= <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B> <A title=Wimblees@AOL.COM href="mailto:Wimblees@AOL.COM">Wimblees@AOL.COM</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, December 23, = 2001 3:12 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Stored Tunings = v/s FAC</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=arial,helvetica><FONT size=2>In a = message dated 12/23/01 12:14:02 PM !!!First Boot!!!, <A href="mailto:tompiano@gate.net">tompiano@gate.net</A> writes: = <BR><BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff = 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px" TYPE="CITE">I have one concert hall that I have invested at least = 15hrs. of <BR>tuning-data-input time. The only problem is that I'm never satisfied with my <BR>saved results, even when I'm sure I imputed  data correctly and my tuning is <BR>complimentary as = possible. <BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>I have tuned both concert hall D's at UA = for 5 months now and I always tune them to the canned tuning in my SATIII. = The first couple of times I tried to make a few changes, but found that = the changes I made corresponded with what the machine was telling me. = What I wasn't doing was making absolutely sure the lights stood still. = <BR><BR>The other thing I found is that I educated the piano players to the = tuning I put on the piano. With the tuning being consistent, the players know = what to expect. They like what they hear, compliment me on it, and now = expect the piano to sound that way every time. This has also educated me. I = used to hear it different (I didn't stretch the upper octaves as much). = <BR><BR>This has saved me a lot of time. All I do now is turn on the SATIII and = let it do the tuning for me. The only time I "experiment," is with some of the = practice room pianos. But even then, I usually go back to what the = canned tuning tells me. The only other time I experiment, is on a piano = that is not in the machine, and I have to set my own FAC. Then I rely more on my = ear to tell me if it right or not. <BR><BR>Wim</FONT> </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>