<html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" = xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" = xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" = xmlns:st1="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" = xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> <head> <meta http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; = charset=us-ascii"> <meta name=Generator content="Microsoft Word 11 (filtered medium)"> <o:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" = name="State"/> <o:SmartTagType = namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="City"/> <o:SmartTagType = namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="place"/> <o:SmartTagType = namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="PersonName"/>  <style>  </style> </head> <body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=blue> <div class=Section1> Alan,<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> You should feel the pin move, then = work with the lever to remove any “twist” in the pin. You get the = feel of things pretty soon. On some Steinways, just flexing the pin a little = will make a big pitch change. But, that change won’t be permanent = unless the pin moves in the block. This always works well for me. But, there may be = other methods that work equally well. It’s easy enough to check with an = ETD (which I’ve done many times – just to be sure – = ‘cause it can be rather tricky).<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> John = Formsma<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> P.S. (<st1:City = w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Buffalo</st1:place></st1:City> is tastier than = cow.)<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <div> <div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'> <hr size=2 width="100%" align=center tabindex=-1> </div> From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf Of <st1:PersonName = w:st="on">Alan Barnard</st1:PersonName> Sent: Monday, December = 19, 2005 9:56 PM To: Pianotech Subject: Re: The Art = & Science, was RE: Setting tuning pins<o:p></o:p> </div> <o:p> </o:p> <div> <div> Horace (didn't he send everyone = west?) was kind enough to send this only to me, thinking to spare my feelings. But, = heck, WHAT feelings? <G> More to the point, let's get some comment on = it; else how shall we learn ...<o:p></o:p> </div> <div>  <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> It does seem to be stable for me and = I have assumed it is because I whack the note good so it settles while I'm = there, not after I leave. I always run through and clean up/double check = unisons as a last step anyway, maybe that helps.<o:p></o:p> </div> <div>  <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> Other voices, = please.<o:p></o:p> </div> <div>  <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> <div> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Alan = Barnard</st1:PersonName><o:p></o:p> </div> <div> <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Salem</st1:City>, <st1:State = w:st="on">Missouri</st1:State></st1:place><o:p></o:p> </div> <div>  <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> P.S. Besides, there has been far too = little controversy on the list lately. It can get kind of stale after awhile = ... cows taste good! ...reverse crown is okay! ...CA doesn't work! ...false beats = are caused by aliens! ...APSCO people were nicer than Schaff people!  = EBT tuning is best!        See? Now, THIS = is fun, wheeee ...<o:p></o:p> </div> </div> </div> <div>  <o:p></o:p> </div> <blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid black = 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt; margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'> <div> ----- Original Message ----- = <o:p></o:p> </div> <div style='font-color:black'> From:</span= > <a href="mailto:hgreeley@stanford.edu" = title="hgreeley@stanford.edu">Horace Greeley</a> <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> To: <a href="mailto:tune4u@earthlink.net" title="tune4u@earthlink.net">Alan = Barnard</a><o:p></o:p> </div> <div> Sent: = 12/19/2005 7:24:43 PM <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> Subject: Re: The = Art & Science, was RE: Setting tuning pins<o:p></o:p> </div> <div> <o:p> </o:p> </div> Hi, Alan, I won't post on the list on this, but do feel the need to point out that = this style of tuning is inherently unstable, leaving the various lengths of = the string at varying tensions.  It is very reminiscent of how I = originally learned to tune in the 60's; and, while it certainly made me a good deal = of money with home/end user work, I had to very quickly abandon it when I = started doing concert and studio work.  In these latter settings, I really = don't care what people say publicly...the strings really do have to have the = tension as equalized as possible, or some "artist" or other will bang = things right out of tune...often in the opening chords of a recital.  The = old buzz-phrase was to "set the pin" as the original thread title notes...that shorthand really cannot be accomplished (on an S&S = anyway), without taking the string above pitch and then working it back down. I know that this is a minority view, n! ow days...I have tuned for over = 40 years now, spending most of those years tuning more Steinways than I = presently care to remember.  Ultimately, all the ones that I have seen that = have been tuned as you describe have been problematic until the basic tuning = is straightened out.  If it is working for you and for your clientele, = then I doff my hat...that is quite an achievement! Very best regards. Horace At 05:03 PM 12/19/2005, you wrote: <o:p></o:p> To use the slow pull on the S&S--especially if the pin is jumpy--it = seems to work well to first lower pitch a few cents then gently, slowly, steadily = (while whacking) raise it to slightly, I say again, slightly over pitch. Then just let it settle (while whacking) without pushing the = pin back, i.e., without using the hammer to "set" the pin.   If your first pull is not high enough or, especially, if you pulled too = high and end up sharp, then you need to push down a few cents and start over. = You get pretty good at hitting it on the mark, after a bit.   Have fun.   <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Alan Barnard</st1:PersonName> <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Salem</st1:City>, = <st1:State = w:st="on">MO</st1:State></st1:place><o:p></o:p> </blockquote> </div> </body> </html>