<HTML>List, I would like to start a discussion on piano moving.Maybe tricks of the trade.For instance,does anyone have a good way of getting the dolly under a old upright, without having to manually lift one end.(by hand) I have used a hand truck,and then leaned it back down to the floor,to raise the end up.I have thought of having a longer piece welded on the hand truck so it would lift it up high enough.I also quit using my ramp because of the weight,and the piano can roll sideways on it.I have gone to alumiumn channel,which is very light,and the piano cannot roll off the sides of it.I have a Wells Fargo trailor made,just for moving pianos.It has a higher entrance on the back, for pianos at an incline,on a skid board.It has the E track system,for securing the piano.It has been much better than the truck,because,the height of it is is much closer to the biggest majority of the porches I have encountered.Also, the weight is a lot lighter,so you can go across customers yards,without the danger of sinking in as bad.Look forward to the tips. Thanks, Hazen Bannister P.S. Don Valley got me started putting the grand on the skidboard,which is already on the dolly.No more lifting the skidboard for the dolly.With proper technique,it works great,and reducing major hassel.Great tip!</HTML>