<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; = charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2800.1505" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY id=role_body style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #000000; BORDER-TOP-STYLE: none; = FONT-FAMILY: Arial; BORDER-RIGHT-STYLE: none; BORDER-LEFT-STYLE: none; = BORDER-BOTTOM-STYLE: none" bottomMargin=7 bgColor=#ffffff leftMargin=7 topMargin=7 = rightMargin=7> <DIV>Hi David, I use stressed emery paper.</DIV> <DIV>Just recently made a jig to stress the cloth. I was doing the = stress with a pencil or screwdriver blade but was loosing too much grit in the = process.</DIV> <DIV>The cloth has to much starch { glue } and is too stiff to do the = job on the sholders unless one stresses the cloth so that it will lay on the = hammer</DIV> <DIV>easily. </DIV> <DIV>The stressing makes the cloth curl in the oppisite direction from = what it comes out of the box.</DIV> <DIV>The 1" cloth is easy to do, but the 2" stuff is quite difficult to = pull through the jig.</DIV> <DIV>Carl also stresses the cloth that we use on the electric = shaper.</DIV> <DIV>Joe Goss RPT<BR>Mother Goose Tools<BR><A href="mailto:imatunr@srvinet.com">imatunr@srvinet.com</A><BR><A href="http://www.mothergoosetools.com">www.mothergoosetools.com</A></DI= V> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B> <A title=ilvey@sbcglobal.net = href="mailto:ilvey@sbcglobal.net">David Ilvedson</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, September 06, = 2005 3:26 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Hammer sanding = ,machne</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <P>The tool uses emory cloth?   I've never tried it...I use = garnet with packing tape backing...</P> <P>David I.<BR><BR></P> <DIV style="PADDING-RIGHT: 5px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 3px solid; PADDING-TOP: 5px"> <HR> Original message<BR>From: "Joe And Penny Goss" = <IMATUNR@SRVINET.COM><BR>To: Pianotech <PIANOTECH@PTG.ORG><BR>Received: 9/6/2005 8:55:46 = AM<BR>Subject: Re: Hammer sanding ,machne<BR><BR> <DIV align=left>Hi Dale,</DIV> <DIV> The tenor of your post indicates that you are working on = grands. The beauty of the shoeshine methods is that it will work on either = without having to change methods or tools used to get the same results. When I = say shoe shine I am referring to the motion of the rag used to shine = shoes.</DIV> <DIV>While the rag bends to conform to the different shapes of the = shoe, it is not able to reach down into divots in the area being worked on,</DIV> <DIV>The emery cloth takes advantage of this fact as it shreds the = felt off the high parts of the hammer, first the sides and then the strike = point.</DIV> <DIV>Joe Goss RPT<BR>Mother Goose Tools<BR><A href="mailto:imatunr@srvinet.com">imatunr@srvinet.com</A><BR><A = href="http://www.mothergoosetools.com/">www.mothergoosetools.com</A></D= IV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B> <A title=Erwinspiano@aol.com href="mailto:Erwinspiano@aol.com">Erwinspiano@aol.com</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, September 06, = 2005 8:45 AM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Hammer sanding ,machne</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV><FONT id=role_document face=Arial color=#000000 = size=2> <DIV> <DIV>   <FONT size=3><STRONG>Carl -- David I.</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3><STRONG>  After using many forms of = electric sanding devices I don't see how I can take a un -shaped set of new hammers = & effeciently design a  hammer shape with this tool. Perhaps = that's not what it's use is for. I currently use a small sand = cat  belt sander & more recently  a Makita hand held belt sander with = a 1 inch wide by 18" belt. It's a bit awkward & dont' recommend it = for anything but gang filing when shaping new =  hammers held in a gang clampm in  a vise with plenty of clearance.</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3>  I do however use the makita on = hung hammers when trying to do huge amounts of shape redesign & felt = removal  but I just do the rough work with the tools & finish with 80 = thru 400 grit paper. Short of that the foredom works bset for this particular = job as one can focus all the attention to shape on one side then the other = & lastly the top.</FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3>  my guess is that Joe's tool is = extremely effective for the applications it was designed for such as upright actions.... Right Joe? Or splain it further to dense heads like me. = Maybe I need one</FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3>  Just my 2 = cents.</FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3>  Dale</FONT></STRONG></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue 2px = solid"><FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=Arial = color=#000000 size=2> <P>Carl,</P> <P>so it goes back and forth...how do you get a particular shape?   I'm think of a worn hammer where I want to = bring the shoulders down and not the top.  How is that = accomplished?</P> <P>David I.</P> <P>David, just push the sander fore and aft to sand only on side = of the hammer.  Press down to sand the top.  Rotate the sander = and push side to side to clear waste felt.  You need to do this since = if you don't the felt will clog the paper and stop working.  Fifty = or sixty grit is good for speedily removing felt.  For smaller hammers = I usually squeeze the blades with thumb and index finger to sand = only the sides.  <STRONG>Remember</STRONG> <STRONG>that this tool = is</STRONG> <STRONG>basically roughing it in.  As Nick Gravagne said in a = class "We're just shoveling dirt".  Final shaping and squaring is = done using standard paddles or your favorite procedure.</STRONG></P> <P>Carl Meyer PTG assoc<BR>Santa Clara, Ca.<BR></P></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV> <DIV></DIV> = <DIV> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>