<html>  <head></head> <body>  <DIV></DIV> <P>Good point Waren, That's why I wanted to install a thin strip over the original rail with the action still in.</P> <P>RU/UP<BR></P> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">-------------- Original message from "Warren Fisher" <fishwar@bellsouth.net>: -------------- <BR><BR> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2900.2668" name=GENERATOR> <DIV>Richard,</DIV> <DIV>I wouldn't advise doing it that way.  I don't think the rail screws are removable inside the piano. There is too little clearance between the screw head and the hammer rail.  You may get them out, but I doubt you could get them back in.  Sometimes you have to remove the hammer rail to get enough clearance.  Also you have a good possibility of messing up the damper adjustment getting the rail out.  You really don't want to do that.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Springs are not the only thing that will cause a key not to work.  You will never know what is causing the problem unless you remove the action and inspect everything.  I have replaced a spring and then found the flanges seized up with moisture. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>You should charge a substantial fee, at least one hour, just for removal and replacement of the drop action.  This charge should not include any work and should be collected whether you work on the action or not.  Don't sell yourself short.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Take the action to the shop and put it in a cradle so that all the parts are accessable.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> <DIV>Warren Fisher- Navy Retired - Slidell, Louisiana </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt Arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=richard.ucci@att.net href="mailto:richard.ucci@att.net"></A></DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To: </B><A title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">Pianotech</A></DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> 7/22/2005 7:36:12 AM </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: butt springs</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV><FONT size=2> <DIV></DIV>But I can pull the rail and install springs right?<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">-------------- Original message from Andrew and Rebeca Anderson <anrebe@sbcglobal.net>: -------------- <BR><BR>This is the Whitney Spinet right?  I've worked on one of those.  Do not plan on adding anything to the spring rail.  Tolerances are very close there.  They have felt on it because the hammer shanks will check against it on a firm blow.<BR><BR>AMHIK,<BR>Andrew<BR>At 07:43 AM 7/21/2005, you wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE class=cite cite="" type="cite">Thanks Terry,<BR><BR>Actually, I did not want to pull the action on this turkey. I was toying with the idea of installing springs on a thin strip of wood and then glueing it in place.<BR> <DL> <DD>-------------- Original message from "Farrell" <mfarrel2@tampabay.rr.com>: -------------- <BR><BR> <DD>Alan, that was cruel and uncalled for. Whitney, like all piano manufacturers space the butt springs one per butt! (It's the butts that are randomly spaced!)   ;-)<BR> <DD><BR>  <DD>That's all you get Rick until you give us more information! R U replacing the spring rail for some reason? Or just the springs. Perhaps this is the first time you have replaced this type of spring? If so, you may just not be aware that the springs are set into little holes in the spring rail - so no spacing efforts are needed - just remove old springs and replace with new ones in original holes. (You need to soak the felt to soften and remove the hide glue...... oh no - was a Whitney glued up with hide glue or will it be some ookey white crud.....?????)<BR> <DD><BR>  <DD>No doubt there is tons of info in the archives describing this job. I know there is good stuff in the PTG reprint articles - that's what I used the first time I did that job.<BR> <DD><BR>  <DD>Terry Farrell<BR> <DL> <DD><BR>  <DD>Whitney spinet, eh? Just use the same random spacing the factory used.... oh, wait, that was cruel.<BR> <DD><BR>  <DD>More seriously: Are these on a damper rebound rail in the usual configuration? Is the rail still usable?<BR> <DD><BR>  <DD>Actually, I guess I don't really understand your question ... a little more detail, please ...<BR> <DD><BR>  <DD>Alan Barnard<BR> <DD>Salem, Missouri<BR> <DD><BR> <DL> <DD><FONT size=2> Is there a standard distance for spacing hammer butt springs? I'm thinking of doing a gang replacement on a Whitney spinet .<BR> <DD><BR>  <DD>Thanks,<BR> <DD>Rick Ucci/Ucci Piano<BR></FONT></DD></DL></DD></DL></DD></DL></BLOCKQUOTE><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>  </body> </html>