<html> <body> Let me know when this comes available. Andrew At 02:26 PM 9/8/2005, you wrote: <blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">Thanks for the feedback.  Now that I get the message that Biene Brand tuning pins have a market in North America, I am looking into bringing them in to make them available here.  Anyone have a good thoughts on how to ship such heavy stuff in a safe, economical manner? Jurgen Goering Piano Forte Supply (250) 754-2440 info@pianofortesupply.com <a href="http://www.pianofortesupply.com"> http://www.pianofortesupply.com</a> Others wrote about Biene Brand: <blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">They sure aren't Unknown to me. I wish I could get them. Used to be carried by one of the defunct Suppliers and loved em'. I still have a set of 3/0's. I've been waiting for the appropriate piano.<G> Regards,  Joe Garrett, R.P.T.</blockquote> <blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">Captain, Tool Police</blockquote> <blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">Squares R I</blockquote> ------------------ <blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">I use Biene all the time here. I have tried a few other available makes and find them lacking in comparison. And exactly for the reasons you state.  Tho I have not done extensive measurements for consistancy, it wouldnt suprise me to find your assertion to be true. They always seem to go in nicely and wind up with a very consistant feel to them.  I will second you on the lack of twisting however. And, as I have said... I see blued pins rust all the time. I think I have seen one or two nickel plated sets with any real signs of corrosion in all my 30 some odd years as a piano tech. Cheers RicB </blockquote>------------------------- <blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">It's not the color, at all.  They are extremely consistent as to size, hardness, plating (or not, as preferred)...virtually no detectable twisting of the pin when tuning, just a good, solid feel of the entire pin moving along it's axis at the same time.  Well worth the extra money, when available.  If Jurgen can get them, they are worth using. Best. Horace </blockquote>--------------------------- <blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">These were available from APSCO.  I still have a box which contains a few miscellaneous Denro pins. As I recall, they are blued before the threads are cut. I really missed them when the supplier switched  to Japanese pins. I would buy them exclusively if they were available again. Regards, Jon Page </blockquote>-------------------------- </blockquote></x-html></blockquote></body> </html>