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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=red face=Arial><span =
style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:red'>Ah – but you must have missed =
the “smiley”
(see below in the red print) that I put at the end of the question =
regarding if
Michael knew how much tension would be on A-0 if tuned to 445 (as if it =
would
ever have held that high a pitch….. </span></font><font size=2 =
color=red
face=Wingdings><span =
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:red'>J</span></font=
><font
size=2 color=red face=Arial><span =
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:red'> Just a friendly =
raz…..<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=red face=Arial><span =
style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:red'>John =
Fortiner<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:windowtext;font-weight=
:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span =
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:windowtext'> DKnabe [mailto:dknabe@airmail.net] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, May 12, =
2005 5:31
AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Pianotech<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: Pitch =
Raise</span></font><font
color=black><span =
style='color:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New =
Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>John and List,<br>
<br>
Surely Michael means:<br>
Tune the 16th partial of A0 to A-445;<br>
Tune the 8th partial of A1 to A-445; etc<br>
Tune the 4th partial of C#5 to the 5th partial =
of
A-445<br>
etc, then<br>
Tune the 8th partial of G4 to the 7th partial =
of A-444<br>
etc. <br>
<br>
In other words, keep each string at approximately the correct pitch, =
but, for
1st pass,<br>
overpull by 20 cents those notes tuned to =
A-445; i.e.
all A's, C#'s, and F's<br>
overpull by 16 cents those notes tuned to A-444; =
i.e.
all G's, D#'s and B's<br>
overpull by 12 cents those notes tune to A-443;
i.e. all G#'s, C's and E's<br>
overpull by 8 cents those notes tuned to A-442;
i.e. all F#'s, A#'s and D's. <br>
<br>
When you finish the first pass, those notes tuned 20 cents sharp will =
have fallen
to being on-pitch. Since all the notes are now about right, fine tune it
normally on the second pass.<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
Doug Knabe<br>
<st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place =
w:st="on">Dallas</st1:place></st1:City><br>
Michael Gamble wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span =
style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>You asked:</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span =
style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> </span></font><font size=2 color=red
face=Arial><span =
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:red'>Do you
have any idea how much tension would be on A-0 when tuned to A-445??? =
</span></font><font
size=2 color=red face=Wingdings><span =
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;
color:red'>J</span></font><font size=2 color=red face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:red'> </span></fon=
t><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=red face=Arial><span =
style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:red'>Non! But it can't be much above =
design
tension can it!</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=red face=Arial><span =
style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:red'>Go for it - it works every time. The =
real
"secret" is keeping the tension equal right across the =
frame.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=red face=Arial><span =
style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:red'>Talking about equal - anyone read =
"An
Unequal Music" by Vikram Seth?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=red face=Arial><span =
style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:red'>Regards</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=red face=Arial><span =
style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:red'>Michael G.(<st1:country-region =
w:st="on"><st1:place
=
w:st="on">UK</st1:place></st1:country-region>) </span></font><o:p>=
</o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span =
style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>----- Original Message ----- =
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<div style='-moz-background-clip: initial;-moz-background-origin: =
initial;
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none;font-stretch: normal;
background-attachment:scroll;background-position-x:0%;background-position=
-y:
50%'>
<p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><font size=2 =
color=black
face=Arial><span =
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>From:</span=
></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span =
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:JLFortiner@usadig.com" =
title="JLFortiner@usadig.com">John Fortiner</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>To:</span><=
/font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span =
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:michael@gambles.fsnet.co.uk" =
title="michael@gambles.fsnet.co.uk">'Michael
Gamble'</a> ; <a href="mailto:tomtuner@comcast.net" =
title="tomtuner@comcast.net">'tom
driscoll'</a> ; <a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org" =
title="pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span=
></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span =
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Thursday,
May 12, 2005 1:05 AM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</s=
pan></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span =
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> RE: Pitch
Raise<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New =
Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span =
style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><u1:p> </u1:p></span></font><o:=
p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span =
style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><u1:p> </u1:p></span></font><o:=
p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</spa=
n></font></b><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span =
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Michael
Gamble [<a =
href="mailto:michael@gambles.fsnet.co.uk">mailto:michael@gambles.fsnet.=
co.uk</a>]
<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, May 11, =
2005 3:08
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> tom driscoll; <a
href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</a><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: Pitch =
Raise</span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New =
Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'><u1:p> </u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></=
p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span =
style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Hello Tom and =
List</span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span =
style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I suppose it's not at all helpful to state the
obvious - "it's in Archives"! No? Well then this is the way to =
do it:</span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span =
style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Have a cheapo ETD - you know the things - get =
it from
a guitar shop. They usually have A=439 to A=445 or so. With that =
tune all the
A's to the A=445 - all 8 of them. </span></font><font size=2 =
color=red
face=Arial><span =
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:red'>Do you
have any idea how much tension would be on A-0 when tuned to A-445??? =
</span></font><font
size=2 color=red face=Wingdings><span =
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;
color:red'>J</span></font><font size=2 color=red face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:red'> =
</span></font><font
size=2 face=Arial><span =
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Next tune
the intermediate M3's i.e. all the C# and the F's. Now quarter of the =
piano is
done. </span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span =
style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Next recalibrate the ETD to A=444. Now tune =
all the G's
to 444 pitch and follow that with their intermediate M3's - i.e. all the =
D#'s
and all the B's. Now you're =
half-way!</span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span =
style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Next recalibrate the ETD to A=443. Tune all =
the G#'s
and then the intermediate M3's. (three-quarters of the =
way!)</span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span =
style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Last recalibrate the ETD to A=442. Tune all =
the F#'s
and then the intermediate M3's</span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span =
style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>And you're done!</span></font><font size=2 =
color=red
face=Arial><span =
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:red'> Sounds
like a neat system that I’m going to have to =
try.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<u1:p></u1:p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span =
style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Now fine =
tune.</span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span =
style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Note this... I <em><i><font face=Arial><span
style='font-family:Arial'>ALWAYS</span></font></i></em><strong><b><i><f=
ont
face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial;font-style:italic'> =
</span></font></i></b></strong>DETUNE
EACH STRING SLIGHTLY BEFORE PUTTING UP THE TENSION. This breaks the =
bonding at
the pressure bar or capo. Even use a touch of de-oxidising fluid at =
those
points before you start.</span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span =
style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Regards from a dark <st1:place =
u4:st="on"><st1:PlaceName u4:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName =
w:st="on">Sussex</st1:PlaceName></st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType =
u4:st="on"><st1:PlaceType
=
w:st="on">Village</st1:PlaceType></st1:place></st1:PlaceType></st1:plac=
e></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span =
style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Michael G.(<st1:country-region =
u4:st="on"><st1:place u4:st="on"><st1:country-region
w:st="on"><st1:place =
w:st="on">UK</st1:place></st1:country-region></st1:place></st1:country-=
region>)</span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
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1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt;
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black'>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span =
style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>----- Original Message ----- =
<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4;-moz-background-clip: =
initial;
-moz-background-origin: initial;-moz-background-inline-policy: initial;
background-attachment:scroll;background-position-x:0%;background-position=
-y:
50%'><b><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span =
style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font =
size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:tomtuner@comcast.net" title="tomtuner@comcast.net">tom =
driscoll</a>
<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>To:</span><=
/font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span =
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org" =
title="pianotech@ptg.org">Pianotech</a> =
<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span=
></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span =
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Wednesday,
May 11, 2005 5:34 PM<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</s=
pan></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span =
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Re: Pitch
Raise<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'><u1:p> </u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></=
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Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'> <u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></=
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span =
style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>----- Original Message ----- =
<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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50%'><b><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span =
style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font =
size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:michael@gambles.fsnet.co.uk" =
title="michael@gambles.fsnet.co.uk">Michael
Gamble</a> <u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>To:</span><=
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size=2 face=Arial><span =
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org" =
title="pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</a>
<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span=
></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span =
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Wednesday,
May 11, 2005 9:54 AM<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</s=
pan></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span =
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Pitch =
Raise<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'><u1:p> </u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></=
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style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Hello =
List</span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span =
style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>. <SNIP>So I used my "Quadrant
System" to bring it up to A=440 and fine tune it in two =
hours.
<SNIP></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span =
style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Michael =
G.(<st1:country-region u4:st="on"><st1:place =
u4:st="on"><st1:country-region
w:st="on"><st1:place =
w:st="on">UK</st1:place></st1:country-region></st1:place></st1:country-=
region>)</span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
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Michael,</span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span =
style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Could you elaborate on the
Quadrant system ?</span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
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Thanks,</span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span =
style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Tom Driscoll RPTired =
today.</span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
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