<html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" = xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" = xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" = xmlns:st1="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" = xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> <head> <meta http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; = charset=us-ascii"> <meta name=Generator content="Microsoft Word 11 (filtered medium)"> <o:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" = name="State"/> <o:SmartTagType = namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="City"/> <o:SmartTagType = namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="place"/>  <style>  </style>  </head> <body bgcolor=white lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=blue> <div class=Section1> Hi,Philippe! Aircompressor clean = pianos even better,but they pitched to A-421.376,a little too low.. Give it a try,too..  Maybe,you can skip buying the tuning fork and move up to Cybertuner and get a really accurate reading of a few European vacuum cleaners.Just curious.. Isaac<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <div> <div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'> <hr size=2 width="100%" align=center tabindex=-1> </div> From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org = [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf Of Philippe = Errembault Sent: Thursday, March 02, = 2006 5:07 PM To: Pianotech List Subject: Re: beginner = seeking advice<o:p></o:p> </div> <o:p> </o:p> <div> Hi, <o:p></o:p> </div> <div>  <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> I'm new to tuning too and I don't have a tuning fork yet, I'd like to try the vacuum cleaner tuning = first.<o:p></o:p> </div> <div> a few questions : = <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> 1/ I suppose all vacuum cleaners are = not tuned on the same pitch. Is there a Vacuum Cleaner tone Reference = List (VCTRL) available somewhere on the net ? Does this also word with = kitchen vacuum ?<o:p></o:p> </div> <div> 2/ I suppose the pitch depends on the temperature... Should I wait for my Vacuum cleaner to stabilise ? = How long ?<o:p></o:p> </div> <div> 3/ I'm in <st1:place = w:st="on">europe</st1:place> and we are supplied in 220V 50Hz. Do you think this can make a difference in = pitch for the same model of vacuum cleaner between <st1:place = w:st="on">Europe</st1:place> and US ?<o:p></o:p> </div> <div> 4/ If for any reason I had to use a = supplemental power supply cable... Is there a risk that it infuences my reference = pitch ? Should I pay attention to this ?<o:p></o:p> </div> <div> 5/ May I use the same vacuum cleaner for = the tone reference and to clean the piano ?<o:p></o:p> </div> <div>  <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> Thank you for you answers, = <o:p></o:p> </div> <div>  <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> Philippe<o:p></o:p> </div> <blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid black = 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt; margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'= > <div> ----- Original Message ----- = <o:p></o:p> </div> <div style='font-color:black'> From:</span= > <a href="mailto:pianotune05@comcast.net" = title="pianotune05@comcast.net">pianotune05</a> <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> To:<= /font> <a href="mailto:tcole@cruzio.com" = title="tcole@cruzio.com">tcole@cruzio.com</a> ; <a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org" title="pianotech@ptg.org">Pianotech = List</a> <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> Sent:</span= > Thursday, March 02, 2006 12:01 AM<o:p></o:p> </div> <div> Subject:</s= pan> Re: beginner seeking advice<o:p></o:p> </div> <div> <o:p> </o:p> </div> <div> I think the vacuum I used earlier was at a440 = or close.  It was a different pitch on the low setting. Does anyone = here own an Oreck?  <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Marshall</st1:= place></st1:City><o:p></o:p> </div> <blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid black = 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt; margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'= > <div> ----- Original Message ----- = <o:p></o:p> </div> <div style='font-color:black'> From:</span= > <a href="mailto:tcole@cruzio.com" title="tcole@cruzio.com">Thomas = Cole</a> <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> To:<= /font> <a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org" title="pianotech@ptg.org">Pianotech = List</a> <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> Sent:</span= > Wednesday, March 01, 2006 4:06 PM<o:p></o:p> </div> <div> Subject:</s= pan> Re: beginner seeking advice<o:p></o:p> </div> <div> <o:p> </o:p> </div> A and F natural here on the left coast. A is = dead on 440 according to my CyberFork. Tom Cole <a href="mailto:Tvak@aol.com">Tvak@aol.com</a> wrote: <o:p></o:p> <pre wrap=""> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre><fon= t size=2 color=black face="Courier New"> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre><fon= t size=2 color=black face="Courier New">In a message dated 2/28/2006 11:54:11 A.M. = Central Standard Time,  <o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="mailto:tune4u@earthlink.net">tune4u@earthlink.net</a> = writes:<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre><fon= t size=2 color=black face="Courier New">  <o:p></o:p></pre> <blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt' = type=cite><pre wrap="">A land-line telephone. (The dial  tone = is an A)<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>    = <o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote> <pre wrap=""><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre><fon= t size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre><fon= t size=2 color=black face="Courier New">Actually, there are two tones, an A and an = F#.  At least in <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Chicago</st1:place></st1:City>,  = that's <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>the case, and in fact, the F# seems a bit = louder than the A.   So...maybe that = <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>might work down in <st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place = w:st="on">Missouri</st1:place></st1:State>...but I doubt = it...you'd  have to...uh...'show = <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>me'.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Tom = Sivak<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Chicago</st1:place></st1:City><o= :p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre><fon= t size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre><fon= t size=2 color=black face="Courier New">  = <o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote> </blockquote> </div> </body> </html>