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<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>Richard,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>The two references for the Werckmeister III =
temperament
are:</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2> Klpp, G.C. =
<EM>Harpsichord
Tuning Course Outline</EM>. Raleigh, NC: The Sunbury Press, =
1974.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2> Jorgensen, Owen. =
<EM>The
Equal-Beating Temperaments; A Handbook for Tuning Harpsichords and =
Forte-Pianos
with Tuning Techniques and Tables of Fifteen Historical =
Temperaments</EM>.
Raleigh, NC: The Sunbury Press, 1981.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>Good luck finding these. I don't know if =
they're still
in publication, but with all of the current interest it would make sense =
for
them to be available.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>Mike</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><B>-----Original =
Message-----</B><BR><B>From:
</B>Richard Moody <<A
=
href="mailto:remoody@easnet.net">remoody@easnet.net</A>><BR><B>To: =
</B><A
href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A> <<A
=
href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A>><BR><B>Date:
</B>Friday, September 03, 1999 12:18 AM<BR><B>Subject: </B>Re: =
Werkmeister
#3<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>Thank you Mike, and welcome to the list. =
<BR>Re, your
two references, Klop and Jorgensen, do you have the publisher and
date?<BR>Klop rings a very faint bell, and is the title by Jorgensen =
a
seperate book? <BR><BR>In New Groves, the article, "Well =
Tempered
Clavier" some diagrams are given, one of<BR>which is
Werckmeister, "Principal organ temperament (theoretical model, =
in
practice,<BR>C G D A might be left as in 1/4-comma mean-tone =
temperament,
tempered 4 cents<BR>instead of 6 =
cents)" B--F3
is the other fifth tempered the same. The rest are<BR>pure. =
<BR><BR>No
big deal about the cents figures, there are two ways to figure it, =
and then
the<BR>pattern of fifths is not known. ie Is F taken from C or =
A# Do they go all the way<BR>to A# ? If it =
is
Pythagorean it seems they would. The F's are different =
depending<BR>on which
way you go. Or perhaps they start at F and do a =
Py. cycle
to A#. The<BR>reason for skipping two fifths and then =
tempering
B--F# is another interesting<BR>question. <BR><BR>Well one way =
to get
to the bottom of it is to read Werckmeister himself. Listed =
in<BR>the
bibliography of the article Werckmeister is, _Orgel-Probe, oder
Kurtz<BR>Beschreibung....._<BR>in English translation 1976, by G
Krapf. (I suppose he translated everything but<BR>the =
title)
<BR><BR>Another is, _Musicalisch Temperatur...._ =
1691. No
translation given. <BR><BR>Here is the complete
title..."Musicalische Temperatur,oder Deutlicher und
warer<BR>mathematischer Unterricht, wie man durch Anweisung des =
Monochordi
ein Clavier,<BR>sonderlich die Orgel-Wercke, Positive, Regale, =
Spinetten,
und dergleichen wol<BR>temperirt stimmen konne" =
<BR><BR>Translation
anyone? Danke---ric<BR><BR><BR>----------<BR>From: Mike Keener =
<<A
href="mailto:mkeener@erinet.com">mkeener@erinet.com</A>><BR>To: =
<A
href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A><BR>Subject: =
Re:
Werkmeister #3<BR>Date: Thursday, September 02, 1999 2:58 =
PM<BR><BR>Hello
group. This is my first entry to pianotech. According to =
G.C.
Klop, in his<BR>Harpsichord Tuning, page 18, in Werckmeister III, =
also known
as the Correct<BR>Temperament No. 1, the four tempered fifths, c-g, =
g-d,
d-a, b-f#, are each 1/4 comma<BR>narrow (Klop calls these =
"meantone
fifths"). The remaining fifths are just.<BR><BR>This =
temperament
also appears in Jorgensen's The Equal-Beating Temperaments
on<BR>page25. Being an aural tuner, and not having the tables =
in front
of me, I can't<BR>quote the cents deviation from ET. I hope =
this
helps.<BR><BR>Mike<BR> -----Original
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Date: Thursday, September 02, 1999 1:07 PM<BR> =
Subject:
Re: Werkmeister #3<BR> <BR>
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