<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1" = http-equiv=Content-Type> <META content="MSHTML 5.00.2919.6307" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> Hi Diane</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>   Really it's ok.  Some = times sandblasting is the easiest way to get off layers of bad paint jobs or = japanning that is cracking/  I finding that there are so many products to = build up a flat finish from the automotive sector and it doesn't take as long as = you might think.  My nephew is an autobody whiz and is incredibly = knowledgeable with product experience.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Thanks</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Dale</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A href="mailto:dianepianotuner@hotmail.com" title=dianepianotuner@hotmail.com>Diane Hofstetter</A> </DIV> <DIV><B>To:</B> <A href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org" title=pianotech@ptg.org>pianotech@ptg.org</A> </DIV> <DIV><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, July 01, 2001 10:47 PM</DIV> <DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: Fw: Plate Finish, was Varsol</DIV></DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV> <P>Dale,</P> <P>When I saw that you had tried sandblasting it, I immediately felt = sorry for you!  I tried that once too and still remember the nightmare.  = The base is too irregular from the casting and it took <EM>forever</EM> to = build up enough new material to smooth it out again. Good luck!</P> <P>Diane<BR><BR>Diane Hofstetter <BR>245-M Mount Hermon Rd.#343 = <BR>Scotts Valley, CA 95066 <BR>ph 831-438-6222 <BR>fax 831-430-9741 <BR>dianepianotuner@hotmail.com </P></DIV> <DIV></DIV> <DIV></DIV>>From: "Erwinpiano" <ERWINPIANO@EMAIL.MSN.COM> <DIV></DIV>>Reply-To: pianotech@ptg.org <DIV></DIV>>To: <PIANOTECH@PTG.ORG> <DIV></DIV>>Subject: Re: Fw: Plate Finish, was Varsol <DIV></DIV>>Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 20:32:16 -0700 <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>>Hi Mark <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>> I'm aware of the many amazing properties of shellac but = it just never occurred to me to try it in this application until you guys = tweaked my duh! barrier. This might be my answer.I'm in the middle of a plate job = that is a very long and arduous story. <DIV></DIV>> Thanks <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>> Dale Erwin <DIV></DIV>> ----- Original Message ----- <DIV></DIV>> From: bases-loaded@juno.com <DIV></DIV>> To: pianotech@ptg.org <DIV></DIV>> Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2001 2:00 PM <DIV></DIV>> Subject: Re: Fw: Plate Finish, was Varsol <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>> Hi Dale - <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>> It would be very unlikely for you to have a bleed thru = problem like you describe if you used shellac as your barrier coat. It is an = amazingly reliable coating, sticks to anything, isolates contaminants, and = provides a film that virtually any top coat will have good adhesion to, esp, if you use = the dewaxed version. <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>> FWIW <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>> Mark Potter <DIV></DIV>> bases-loaded@juno.com <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>> On Sun, 1 Jul 2001 11:02:09 -0700 "Erwinpiano" <ERWINPIANO@EMAIL.MSN.COM>writes: <DIV></DIV>> Terry <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>> Is the primer you use before spraying the laquer an = enamel or just something compatible with laquer? Is your final result prone to = chipping?, or does it stay a bit on the softer side and set up harder over time. = (which I like) Just curious as I am experimenting with some different techniques including sandblasting to remove rust and animal urine then building = back up with automotive productsof various kinds.Yes it's a pain but I've had = some preexsistent stains return to discolor spots in my final topcoats over = time. <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>> Dale Erwin <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>> ----- Original Message ----- <DIV></DIV>> From: Farrell <DIV></DIV>> To: pianotech@ptg.org <DIV></DIV>> Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2001 6:19 AM <DIV></DIV>> Subject: Re: Plate Finish, was Varsol <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>> "Using shellac for the first coat should prevent the = fish eye." <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>> I don't use shellac, but I hear/read so much about it, I = have no doubt it is an excellent way to go. What I do use for my plates though, = is grey (any color is fine I'm sure) metal primer that I buy at the auto-parts = store. I just use it to hit areas that I have sanded through to the bare metal. = Sand lightly after dry. Then I finish with spray can gold laquer. I like to = just keep it simple. As long as I am using the spray can laquer for the finish, I = find it very easy to use the spray can primer. I have had excellent results. <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>> Terry Farrell <DIV></DIV>> ----- Original Message ----- <DIV></DIV>> From: jolly roger <DIV></DIV>> To: pianotech@ptg.org <DIV></DIV>> Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2001 1:48 AM <DIV></DIV>> Subject: RE:S&S plate touch up & Varsol <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>> Hi Diane, <DIV></DIV>> Varsol must be a Canadian type thing, for some thing you = guy's call some thing else. Two great Nations separated by a common language. = ( Churchill I think.) <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>> None of the paint stores I went to know what Varsol = is...... <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>> I bought a good quality gold enamel and one of those fill-it-yourself spray bottles. It looks much better except for the = fish-eyes <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>> Using shellac for the first coat should prevent the fish = eye. The oxidization is probably attacking the finish from below. Just a = calculated guess. Some of the more expert finishers could probably give advice in = this area. <DIV></DIV>> I have done one plate in this manner. The grey market = Yamaha just 2yrs ago. The finish seems to be holding up OK. But more time will = tell. Weather it will eventually eat it's way through again, I do not know. = But I do know shellac can be a very effective sealer. Leave for several days to = harden, before applying the finsh coat. <DIV></DIV>> Hope this may help. <DIV></DIV>> Regards Roger <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>> Diane Hofstetter <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV> <P></P>Diane Hofstetter <BR>245-M Mount Hermon Rd.#343 <BR>Scotts = Valley, CA 95066 <BR>ph 831-438-6222 <BR>fax 831-430-9741 = <BR>dianepianotuner@hotmail.com <BR><BR clear=all> <HR> Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at <A href="http://explorer.msn.com">http://explorer.msn.com</A><BR> <P></P></BODY></HTML>