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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I'm a tuner - technician in Belgium and =
since a few
weeks, I</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>discoverd the mail list of PTG . =
Nice!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Apparently, lots of tuners are verry =
happy with the
VT Tuner so my question is : where is it possible to purchase one
and</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>what does it cost? Is it also possible =
to find more
technical information<FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>? Here I =
never heared
about those machines.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Thanks----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=oleg-i@wanadoo.fr href="mailto:oleg-i@wanadoo.fr">Isaac =
OLEG
SIMANOT</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=pianotech@ptg.org
href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, February 15, 2002 =
10:28
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: Verituner: more
opinions</DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=882052021-15022002><FONT face=Arial =
color=#0000ff
size=2>David,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=882052021-15022002><FONT face=Arial =
color=#0000ff
size=2>Thanks for your comments. I am very happy to hear that you =
have a such
good experiment with your VT100.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=882052021-15022002><FONT face=Arial =
color=#0000ff
size=2>Today I had to prepare and tune 3 Steinway D together for a =
jazz
improvisation performance, and the tunings sounds amazing . Each =
piano
with his own sound and personality, but a clearness and homogeneity =
that could
not be matched by other methods (in a little time)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=882052021-15022002><FONT face=Arial =
color=#0000ff size=2>What
I appreciate the most using this wonderful machine is that it let me =
work
naturally and don't drive my ears in a pre-defined curve or partial
progression.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=882052021-15022002><FONT face=Arial =
color=#0000ff size=2>It
follows the piano, as we all do when tuning (but the death tuners who =
tune by
A0 or A88 !)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=882052021-15022002><FONT face=Arial =
color=#0000ff size=2>I
have a comment for you, you said that you can start with any note, but =
the A4
is of great importance and is treated differently from the other notes =
(and
gives the pitch you know !) , as Dave Carpenter have write many times, =
it is
very important to begin with that note and obtain a complete iH =
reading on it
before tuning any other.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=882052021-15022002><FONT face=Arial =
color=#0000ff
size=2>Welcome the happy vt100 users family =
!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=882052021-15022002><FONT face=Arial =
color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=882052021-15022002><FONT =
face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=882052021-15022002><FONT face=Arial =
color=#0000ff
size=2>Regards</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=882052021-15022002><FONT face=Arial =
color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=882052021-15022002><FONT face=Arial =
color=#0000ff
size=2>Isaac</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT =
face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Message d'origine-----<BR><B>De :</B>
owner-pianotech@ptg.org [mailto:owner-pianotech@ptg.org]<B>De la =
part de</B>
David Love<BR><B>Envoyé :</B> vendredi 15 février 2002
07:13<BR><B>À :</B> Pianotech<BR><B>Objet :</B> =
Verituner: more
opinions<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>I purchased the Verituner recently and have used =
it now
for about a dozen tunings. I cannot compare it to the RCT or =
Tunelab,
as I never used them, but I will say that the VT does a =
marvelous job
when compared to the SAT III. It's ability to measure (or =
premeasure) any or all notes and up to eight partials of each =
note in
order to calculate an inharmonicity curve resolves many of the =
complaints I
had about the SAT III which, unless monitored very closely, =
sometimes
delivered a less than satisfactory tuning to my ear. Though I =
had
learned to work with the SAT III very effectively by use of the DOB, =
two
page memory for one piano, and direct interval tuning, I find =
the VT to
be much easier with more predictable results. =
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>The complaints listed earlier I find largely
unwarranted. One suggestion was that the VT required a two =
pass
tuning. That is not true. You can premeasure any =
sequence of
notes ( though it is suggested you always start with A4) including =
notes in
troublesome transition areas and the machine will use the data to =
create a
curve with smooth transitions. Or, as I believe Ron Koval =
mentioned,
you can measure the whole piano before you start tuning. Not
necessary, but It takes about 5 minutes. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Another complaint was about the pitch raise =
function, or
coarse tuning mode as it is called. The coarse tuning system =
requires
lining up two arrows rather than stopping a spinner and is a bit =
awkward at
first. When used as a genuine first pass rough pitch raise, it =
does a
perfectly adequate job. Moreover, you can set up the display
with three different levels of overpull which can appear
simultaneously on the screen. As you progress through the =
scale and
want to change the degree of overpull depending on the section of =
the piano,
you can just aim for the appropriate indicator. These settings =
are
preset to 10/30/36 % overpull but can be adjusted to your own
preference. I set mine at 15/30/36 which seems to work a =
little better
for me. I pulled a small Yamaha today which ranged from 30c =
flat in
the bass to 80c flat in the treble. One rough pass, one fine =
tuning
and the fine tuning required very small adjustments. =
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>The display itself is perfectly readable and =
gives a lot
of data. The large flat or sharp sign that appears if the =
spinner is
moving too fast to see I found helpful. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>You can adjust the stretch "style" from clean =
(narrow) to
expanded as with the SAT III DOB, but unlike the SAT III, changing =
the
stretch style does not preclude the machine using the inharmonicity =
readings
to calculate an acceptable curve. My experience with the =
DOB is
that you can actually put the piano a bit out of tune by selecting =
an
inappropriate amount of stretch. I have not experimented fully =
with
the "style" settings in the VT, but my impression is that the =
machine seeks
to find a balance between style selections and what the piano
dictates. I think that is a better system.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>The 300 page memory can be upgraded to 1000 =
pages for an
additional cost (as Paul L mentioned). There are presently a =
few
glitches that are being worked out with the upgraded memory, but I =
wonder
just how important the extra memory is. If you believe =
that
inharmonicity changes with weather, then you would want to =
recalculate at
each tuning anyway. If you don't, then since you can =
premeasure and a
full 2 pass tuning is <U>not </U>required to get excellent results, =
I don't
consider it critical. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>It comes fully loaded with a variety of HT's and =
as
difficult as it is to admit, I actually like the way it tunes =
ET.
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>The simple fact that it measures multiple =
partials (rather
than one targeted partial) on a given note simultaneously and uses =
that data
collectively and progressively to project a curve, puts it above any =
of the
machines that I'm familiar with. There are other features =
that I
haven't mentioned, but I think it is truly state of the
art. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>David
Love</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>