<HTML><HEAD></HEAD> <BODY style="BORDER-TOP-STYLE: none; BORDER-RIGHT-STYLE: none; BORDER= -LEFT-STYLE: none; BORDER-BOTTOM-STYLE: none"> Again...you can't pass the PTG tuning test with a SAT III unless= you can pass the 2 octave temperment area section.  I think = Joe, the bellicose, thought I was saying anyone could pass the test wit= h a SAT at 100%, which of course I never said.  David I. <DIV style="PADDING-RIGHT: 5px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 5p= x; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 3px solid; PADDING-TOP: 5px"> <HR> Original message From: "Andrew and Rebeca Anderson" <ANREBE@SBCGLOBA= L.NET> To: Pianotech <PIANOTECH@PTG.ORG> Received: 9/13/2005 5:08= :25 AM Subject: Re: SAT Scores on Tuning Exam Joe, Have you used a verituner?  I've disagreed= with it before and tried re-tuning aurally only to discover that it ha= d made the best compromise available from the beast in front of me.&nbs= p; It works with the partials of each note it tunes as opposed to using= only the partials of three sampled notes from the piano.  You can= choose the degree of stretch you want to use.  The tolera= nces in the portion you can use your ETD on are quite generous.  T= he aural section is tight, but you can't use your ETD there anyway and = that is the mental muscle you have to develop.  The Verituners mea= sured tuning and detune functions are quite useful to practice doing te= mperaments with. While I'm no CTE, I have checked it out at my l= eisure and have been quite satisfied with what it does. Andrew<B= R>At 11:44 PM 9/12/2005, you wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE class=cite cite="" type="cite">So I just checked with= Michael Kimbell, our San Francisco CTE and tunin= g examiner and = he concurred with my statement.   David , Then Michael= is on Drugs, IMO. The simple fact remains, that the Test Instrumen= t is tuned Aurally, by at least Three tuners, one of which must be a CT= E. Since the piano is tuned Aurally, there is no way in hell, the SAT w= ill reproduce this! I'm sure if you check with Paul Brown, he'll tell y= ou that exams, of record, do not bear out this B.S.! As for the claims = of Reyburn and Verituner...That smatters of the "Diaphramatic Soundboar= d" B.S. that we so blatantly poo poo, on this list almost every day. Sa= les Hype, IMO. Joe Garrett, R.P.T. Captain, Tool P= olice Squares R I</BLOCKQUOTE> </DIV></BODY></HTML>