<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; = charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2600.0" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Wait, I thought we were talking about = Baldwins, of which I very little experience (but lots of years servicing Steinway, = Yamaha & Kawai!).  But whatever piano we're talking about, are we = blaming the weak treble output on soundboard compression or a weak overall design, = or the voicing capabilities of technicians?  Maybe a bit of all = three?  If the problem is soundboard compression, is the treble the only place it = can be heard as a problem?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>As for the voicing a piano "down" to = match the weakest section I have an opinion about that as a classically trained pianist (who knows about the theories of pedal technique).  How many times have I attended concerts or recitals = where the pianist used the una corda pedal virtually the whole time, almost = never playing without it?  One of those concerts featured a piano = concerto with full orchestra!!!  </FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2>Could it = be that there are an awful lot of too bright pianos out there and this is how = pianists have compensated for it?  (But hey, maybe they like it that = way.)  Although I know some performers say they are using it to get subtle = differences in tone or nuance, he or she should not have to rely = solely on the pedal to achieve that.</FONT> <FONT face=Arial size=2> In = piano literature, una corda is specified for special subdued = moments.  The style now appears that NOT using the una corda is reserved = for grand finales.  It seems a bit skewed to me.  </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Barbara Richmond</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV>----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B> <A title=mfarrel2@tampabay.rr.com href="mailto:mfarrel2@tampabay.rr.com">Farrell</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">Pianotech</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, September 26, = 2003 5:22 AM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: compression ridges = in New Baldwin grand</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>That's because those pianos are = likely prepped properly. Many are not. Steinways don't have a killer octave if they = are voiced properly. I went to a lecture by a Steinway dealer tech that = explained all that clearly. He instructed that new Steinway pianos = will commonly have an area in the fifth or sixth octave that is weak = compared to the rest of the piano. You need to take the tonal characteristics of = that weak area and voice the rest of the piano <EM>down</EM> to match. That is = how you voice a new Steinway. That makes the killer octave go away - er, ahhh, = ummmm, I mean that makes for a properly voiced new piano. Problem solved.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>No kidding. True Story.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Terry Farrell</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>----- Original Message ----- </FONT> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>From: "Richard Brekne" <</FONT><A href="mailto:Richard.Brekne@grieg.uib.no"><FONT face=Arial size=2>Richard.Brekne@grieg.uib.no</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>To: "Pianotech" <</FONT><A href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org"><FONT face=Arial size=2>pianotech@ptg.org</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial = size=2>></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 2:04 = AM</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Subject: Re: compression ridges in = New Baldwin grand</FONT></DIV></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial><BR><FONT size=2></FONT></FONT></DIV><FONT = face=Arial size=2>> Yeah.. I knew this one was comming... something wrong = with our hearing... grin....<BR>> Well... squirm as you may... the fact = remains that 95 % of the worlds concert<BR>> venues have that same hearing = problem... as well as the vast majority of concert<BR>> pianists. You simply = cannot escape the fact that the Steinway reputation, and the<BR>> alledged = self destruct soundboard theory... are at astounding odds with each<BR>> = other.<BR>> <BR>> Like I said... it just does not wash.<BR>> = <BR>> RicB<BR>> <BR>> Ron Nossaman wrote:<BR>> <BR>> > = ><BR>> > > ><BR>> > ><BR>> > >Those are your = numbers and your claims of significant tonal problems, not<BR>> > = >mine,<BR>> > >and evidently not those of all those folks out there happy = with their<BR>> > >Steinways.<BR>> > ><BR>> > >--<BR>> > >Richard Brekne<BR>> ><BR>> > This = is true. For those who don't hear anything wrong, there's no need for<BR>> = > a fix and no way to discuss the possibility that one might be in = order.<BR>> ><BR>> > This strikes me as the bottom line.<BR>> = ><BR>> > Ron N<BR>> ><BR>> > _______________________________________________<BR>> > pianotech = list info: </FONT><A = href="https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives"><FONT face=Arial = size=2>https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives</FONT></A><BR><FON= T face=Arial size=2>> <BR>> --<BR>> Richard Brekne<BR>> = RPT, N.P.T.F.<BR>> UiB, Bergen, Norway<BR>> </FONT><A href="mailto:rbrekne@broadpark.no"><FONT face=Arial size=2>mailto:rbrekne@broadpark.no</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=Arial = size=2>> </FONT><A = href="http://home.broadpark.no/~rbrekne/ricmain.html"><FONT face=Arial = size=2>http://home.broadpark.no/~rbrekne/ricmain.html</FONT></A><BR><FO= NT face=Arial size=2>> </FONT><A href="http://www.hf.uib.no/grieg/personer/cv_RB.html"><FONT = face=Arial = size=2>http://www.hf.uib.no/grieg/personer/cv_RB.html</FONT></A><BR><FO= NT face=Arial size=2>> <BR>> <BR>> _______________________________________________<BR>> pianotech list = info: </FONT><A href="https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives"><FONT = face=Arial = size=2>https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives</FONT></A><BR><FON= T face=Arial size=2>> </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>