<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1" = http-equiv=Content-Type> <META content="MSHTML 5.00.3314.2100" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=#b8b8b8> <DIV><FONT size=4>Jon,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=4>I would agree with your assessment of Organ types!</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=4>Regards, </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=4>Joe Garrett</FONT></DIV> <DIV></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: = 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B> <A href="mailto:jonpage@mediaone.net" = title=jonpage@mediaone.net>Jon Page</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org" title=pianotech@ptg.org>pianotech@ptg.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, May 13, 2001 6:08 = PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Sharp organ</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV><FONT size=3>My problem was that the organ is tuned = somewhere around 430.<BR><BR>They want to play the organ with the piano for a performance.<BR>Themn they want to use the piano in accompaniment with = hand bells at 440.<BR>Then back with the organ, then back with the hand = bells. I gave up that gig.<BR><BR>Then organ people tell them that they would = have to make considerable alterations<BR>in pipe lengths to alter = "voicing".  I came in a few days after one of their 'tuning' and<BR>was appalled, no = amount of temperature or humidity fluctuation could account for<BR>those = dreadful intervals.  I pointed it out to their organist, but what do I = know, I'm just a piano tuner.<BR><BR>I was present in another church when the = tuning was being done. One guy on the console,<BR>the other guy with a Conn pitch = generator in the pipe chamber. No brain, no pain; I guess.<BR>I = mentioned about an SAT, RCT (all there was at the time) and received a blank = stare. <BR>Hearing protection would be my first priority in this = situation.<BR><BR>I attempted to help an another organist by  'touching-up' the mix = (little did I know what that was).<BR>After finding it and tending to those = little whistles I would never do it again without hearing = protection.<BR><BR>I though piano tuners were nuts, these guys are really out there...<BR><BR>Regards,<BR><BR>Jon Page<BR><BR>At 05:13 PM 05/13/2001 = -0500, you wrote:<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE cite type="cite">Hi = Joe,<BR>          &nbsp= ; I did not intend to pick, as I know it's a perenial problem<BR>with churches.  Communication is key, with the music people, pipe organ<BR>tech, and piano tech.  Education has to go along with it.  other wise you<BR>end up with the he said, she said game. = A lose, lose, scenerio. I have been<BR>in the middle of those kinds of = things, and also part of the problem.  A<BR>little older and some what = wiser.  I insist on having the 3 parties meet.<BR>So solutions can be = found.  Many of the pipe organ techs will also lay down<BR>a different = bearing  (temperament)  than our standard  ET. Flue Work = for<BR>instance has a very strong fundamental and less harmonic development = than<BR>the principal chorus. And both are quite different than piano strings, = in<BR>any given register.<BR>Team work is the answer if it can be fostered.   Bare in mind, that much of<BR>the beauty of a = pipe organ, is it's space, and out of tuneness.  Add reverb<BR>time = into the mix, and the game gets thicker. The big 16ft pipes are<BR>usually a = long way away from the piano.<BR>For me, get rid of the pianos in churches, = and let us make a Joyful noise<BR>unto the Lord.  With a real pipe = organ.  <G><BR>Just some thoughts on the subject.<BR>Regards roger<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>At 02:24 PM 5/13/01 -0700, you wrote:<BR>>Roger,<BR>>Since you bi-directed this posting at = me, I'll respond.<BR>>I was not "after" the Organ Tech!, but his lack of = analysis of this<BR>>particular church situation. If he had ascertained = the ambient temp/hum that<BR>>the church is "normally" at and = achieved that before the final tuning of the<BR>>organ, I think that the organ = would have been a little closer to A=440. Part<BR>>of the equation = hasn't been discussed. Where Jeannie is, is right on the<BR>>ocean. I suspect = that while the organ tech was installing, etc.  the hall<BR>>was = kept at a comfortable level for his benefit. Once he finished, = the<BR>>church went back to it's normal habit of not heating or cooling. IMHO the<BR>>organ tech should have a long conversation with the = powers that be, at the<BR>>church, and emphasize the importance of constant temp/Humid conditions.<BR>>There lies the problem. My original = comment was too short.(for that I<BR>>apologize) The best thing is IMHO = to get the organ tech to retune the whole<BR>>enchilada while the church = is in it's normal temp/humid mode. Then, at least<BR>>Jeannie won't = have to tune the piano 12-15cents sharp and possibly more. If<BR>>the = organ "floats" a little sharp and a little flat, with the average = at<BR>>A=440, then it would be acceptable.<BR>>Regards,<BR>>Joe = Garrett<BR>>----- Original Message -----<BR>>From: "jolly roger" <baldyam@sk.sympatico.ca><BR>>To: <pianotech@ptg.org><BR>>Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 11:00 AM<BR>>Subject: Re: Sharp organ</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>