<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; = charset=us-ascii"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2800.1458" name=GENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN = class=968271605-22022005>I do not do major sanding after the filler.  First, I stain like it will = be.  Then, I give a thinned wash-coat of shellac, apply black paste = wood filler,  remove it with a credit card or razor blade.  Do only = a good scrub with burlap and very fine sanding just to get the = dirt.  I like the look the orange shellac gives to fine wood.  This should = leave you with a surface ready to finish.  Yes ,you can spray lacquer over = shellac if you mist on the first couple of coats and dry it fast.  If you lay = down a heavy coat everything crackles by the time it dries.</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <P><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT face=Arial><STRONG>D.L. = Bullock    St. Louis<BR></STRONG></FONT><A = href="http://www.thepianoworld.com/"><FONT face=Arial><STRONG>www.thepianoworld.com</STRONG></FONT></A><FONT = face=Arial color=#000000><STRONG> </STRONG></FONT></FONT></P> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><FONT = color=#000000><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; = mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt"> <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff size=2><FONT color=#000000> <P class=MsoBodyText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT = color=#0000ff><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; = mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt"><FONT color=#008040>Do you or your family have a health challenge?<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">  </SPAN>Put YOUR BODY’S OWN = IMMUNE SYSTEM to work for you----It is capable of repairing itself from EVERY disease if = you give it the right fuel.  </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; = mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt"><FONT color=#008040>Visit</FONT> <A href="http://bullock.myglycostore.com/">http://bullock.myglycostore.com= </A> <FONT color=#008080>to get the right = fuel </FONT></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoBodyText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; = mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt"><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT color=#008080>Visit</FONT> </FONT><A href="http://bullock.goldenkeys.net/">http://bullock.goldenkeys.net/</A= ><FONT color=#0000ff> </FONT><FONT color=#008080>to investigate a great = automated home based business to get your products for free.</FONT></SPAN></P> <P class=MsoBodyText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff></FONT></FONT></P></FONT></DIV></SPAN><FONT color=#0000ff></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV></FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT = face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Mark Potter [mailto:bases-loaded76@sbcglobal.net]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, February = 21, 2005 6:21 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Pianotech<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: general = finishing question<BR><BR></FONT></DIV> <DIV><B><I>Terry <terry@farrellpiano.com></I></B> wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px = solid"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2800.1400" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi Mark,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>If you stain before filling grain, = when sanding the dried grain filler, how do you avoid sanding through the shellac = and/or stain? I seem to be grain-fill/stain challanged! Are you using water = based grain filler?</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG>Hi Terry - </STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG>I have used both water-based filler and solvent-based = filler, and either way, sanding the stuff without sanding thru the color IS = a challenge that requires constant vigilance while sanding.  I = wish I had a magic word or two to pass on to you, but I don't.  As I = mentioned in an earlier post, sanding the filler in the exact same manner that = you sanded the bare wood is a necessary starting point.</STRONG></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>When you don't use grain = filler, how many coats of top-coat do you find is required to get a level finish - or = do you live with the grain depressions in this approach?</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG>Naturally all woods are not identical, but generally I = would say that mahogany sanded to 220, dyed and sealed with at least = a 2lb cut of shellac, will require app. 6 total applied coats of = water-based material to fill the grain.  I just sprayed one last week where = I stopped at 5 total coats of water-based, and there is the <EM>ever-so-slight</EM> amount of grain showing, a look I have = warmed to of late.</STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG>Mark</STRONG></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Terry Farrell</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT><BR></DIV> <DIV><B><I>Greg Newell <<A = href="mailto:gnewell@ameritech.net">gnewell@ameritech.net</A>></I></= B> wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff = 2px solid"> <P>Mark,<BR>So during the finishing process is when you re-add = the missing <BR>filler and stain, right?<BR><BR>Greg Newell</P> <P><STRONG>Hi Greg -</STRONG></P> <P><STRONG>Yes.  First I would use dyes to get the color I = want, then seal them with a wash coat of shellac.  If I AM = gonna use filler that would be next, although oftentimes I don't use = it.  Then, if necessary, a few very thin toning coats (tinted = shellac, usually) on miscellaneous pieces to even up the color ( and, = BTW, this does NOT have to make the finish look muddy, as you earlier = suggested!), then on with the coats of finish.</STRONG></P> <P><STRONG>Mark Potter</STRONG><BR><BR><BR>At 06:06 AM = 2/18/2005, you wrote:<BR>>Greg Newell <GNEWELL@AMERITECH.NET>wrote:<BR>><BR>>When those of you = who do, refinish a piano do you remove the filler during<BR>>the = stripping process?<BR>><BR>>Hi Greg - It is not a "goal", per se, = for me. Whatever volunteers to <BR>>come out during the stripping = process, as well as the rinsing and <BR>>scrubbing with maroon = scotchbrite or #1 steel wool, is the extent of my <BR>>endeavors in this = regard. I then sand with 150 - 220 and start the <BR>>finishing process.<BR>><BR>>No brass brushes for = me...<BR>><BR>>Mark Potter<BR><BR>Greg Newell<BR>Greg's piano Forti<BR>mailto:gnewell@ameritech.net = <BR><BR><BR>_______________________________________________<BR>pianotech = list info: = https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives<BR></P></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><= /BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>