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<DIV>Some questions that were not covered:</DIV>
<DIV>What kind of piano is it?</DIV>
<DIV>Was it a $3000 "rebuild?"</DIV>
<DIV>Are the coils and beckets tight, the coils appropriately close to the =
plate, the hitch pin loops and bends well seated?</DIV>
<DIV>What is the condition of the bridge cap and pins?</DIV>
<DIV>Total number of times it has been tuned?</DIV>
<DIV>Humidity conditions?</DIV>
<DIV>Sitting in sunlight?</DIV>
<DIV>Ed Sutton<BR><BR><BR>-----Original Message----- <BR>From: Ted Simmons =
<TSIMMONS4@CFL.RR.COM><BR>Sent: Feb 7, 2006 6:36 PM <BR>To: Pianotech List =
<PIANOTECH@PTG.ORG><BR>Subject: Re: Pinblock fitting revisited <BR><BR><ZZZ=
HTML><ZZZHEAD></ZZZHEAD><ZZZBODY>Hmm. My delete button must be on aut=
omatic. You're right and thanks for putting everything in perspective=
.<BR><BR>Ted Simmons<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE><BR><B>From: </B>Farrell <mfarrel2@tampabay.rr.com><BR><B=
>Reply-To: </B>Pianotech List <pianotech@ptg.org><BR><B>Date: </B>Tue=
, 07 Feb 2006 06:44:51 -0500<BR><B>To: </B>Pianotech List <pianotech@ptg=
.org><BR><B>Subject: </B>Re: Pinblock fitting revisited<BR><BR></BLOCKQU=
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<BLOCKQUOTE>Maybe you are hitting the delete button too fast? It seems to m=
e the following responses directly address the gap in the pinblock/flange f=
it. No?<BR><BR>Terry Farrell<BR><BR><I>Is it safe to assume the piano has b=
een strung for a while and has <BR>stabilized somewhere near standard pitch=
? I would recommend tapping some <BR>hardwood shims into the gaps between t=
he plate flange and pinblock and see <BR>if that helps - if suddenly it bec=
omes stable, then I guess the answer is <BR>obvious. At least it won't hurt=
anything.<BR><BR>Terry Farrell<BR><BR></I><BR><I>I agree, and the one thin=
g you DON"T want to do is sell him an <BR>expensive wedge and shim job, say=
ing that will fix it, until <BR>you try this.<BR><BR>Ron N<BR><BR>Ted, from=
my brief experiences with unstable pianos due to what appears <BR>to be a =
poor-fitting block-to-plate, it's very important. 1/8" is quite <BR>a bit o=
f play, IMHO.<BR><BR>Hardwood shims..re-tune - evaluate.<BR><BR>-Phil Bondi=
(Fl)<BR><FONT size=2><BR><BR></FONT>Since the customer is confused by pre=
vious advice and research, if the<BR>flange fit IS a problem but the pins a=
re tight and I think I'd flip it over<BR>and use wood and epoxy to fill the=
gaps rather than try to sell a bigger<BR>job. Don't forget the drop cloth!=
<BR><BR>Alan Barnard<BR>Salem, Missouri<BR></I><BR>----- Original Message -=
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<BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I guess I didnıt explain myself too well in my previous p=
ost on pinblock fitting. The answers I received so far ignored the fa=
ct that the pinblock to plate flange fit had gaps in it and implied that fr=
equent tunings is the only solution. What I need to know is if there =
is a situation where the pinblock to plate fit doesnıt matter. This=
is contrary to all Iıve been told and all Iıve read about over the yea=
rs. All replies will be appreciated.<BR><BR>Ted Simmons<BR><BR><FONT =
size=2><I>Whatıs the latest on whether or not a pinblock should butt ag=
ainst the plate flange? I have a customer who has a rebuilt piano tha=
t wonıt hold tune for even a day and when I removed the action and checke=
d the pinblock-to-plate fit I found gaps throughout, some as much as 1/8 in=
ch. Two weeks after I tuned it I found it over 20 cents flat and had =
to give it a pitch raise. A few weeks later it was overly flat again =
and in need of a pitch raise. I explained to the customer about the p=
inblock to plate flange fit but he said that he was told by the rebuilder t=
hat such a thing was not important. To top it off he did some researc=
h and got conflicting comments. Some said the piano is OK as is while=
others held to the conviction that the gaps in the pinblock are the proble=
m with his piano. I need some backup in my assessment, either pro or =
con.<BR><BR>Ted Simmons<BR>Viera, Florida</I></FONT> <BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><=
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