<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1" = http-equiv=Content-Type> <META content="MSHTML 5.00.2919.6307" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi Terry</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>thanks for getting back! As we'd say, = "She'll be right, mate!" I'm not sure but I think from posts I've read that we = Aussies say setoff and you guys say "letoff". If we say <EM>letoff</EM> it normally = means that one has bad gas - or so to speak!! ( not that I'd know anything = about that!)</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I was taught for height, to measure = from the lockrail, hence the 20mm key height etc.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Terry, the basic thing was touch = weight! The keys without the weight of the action feel almost too heavy and was wondering = if removing the weights would even slightly lessen the touch weight? Have = you ever done this? Everything else to me seems to be OK and fairly standard. Do = you know if this is a common German piano problem? Most old American pianos that = we have floating around don't have weighted keys!</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Thanks again,</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Steve.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>----- Original Message ----- </FONT> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>From: "Farrell" <</FONT><A href="mailto:mfarrel2@tampabay.rr.com"><FONT face=Arial size=2>mfarrel2@tampabay.rr.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>To: "Pianotech" <</FONT><A href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org"><FONT face=Arial size=2>pianotech@ptg.org</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial = size=2>></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 12:26 PM</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Subject: Re: Old German = Piano</FONT></DIV></DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>> Oops! Please accept my = appologies Steve. For whatever reason, I thought this might be just a one time = project for you. My mistake. If that were the case, I just couldn't even imagine = trying to get into touchweight, etc.<BR>> <BR>> So, now that I blew that, = what was your question? I think you asked about touchweight and removing leads. I = have asked about vertical touchweight and don't think I have ever gotten or = found or read a good treatment of it.<BR>> <BR>> "Key height 20mm. drop = 10.5mm, blow 47mm, setoff 3mm...."<BR>> <BR>> How are you measuring key = height? That is normally measured from the keybed and would most often be in the = 60 mm range. What is drop on a vertical? Blow 47 mm - OK - if that works - = could go even a tad shorter if that would work better. Setoff 3 mm - I assume you = are speaking of let-off. I even sneak it in a bit closer often.<BR>> = <BR>> What were your questions? Did you get them answered?<BR>> <BR>> = Sorry again.<BR>> <BR>> Terry Farrell<BR>>   <BR>> ----- = Original Message ----- <BR>> From: "Steve Martin" <</FONT><A href="mailto:smartin@dodo.com.au"><FONT face=Arial size=2>smartin@dodo.com.au</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial = size=2>><BR>> To: "Pianotech" <</FONT><A href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org"><FONT = face=Arial size=2>pianotech@ptg.org</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial = size=2>><BR>> Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 2:48 PM<BR>> Subject: Re: Old German = Piano<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Terry<BR>> <BR>> yes Iam a piano tech! I = completed an apprenticeship and have worked in the industry for sometime. I'm aware = of the reams of material out there on all different subjects piano wise. = <BR>> Terry were you in on the " Newbies" thread sometime ago? It was refreshing to = read one part  in which a tech wrote that we were all newbies to one degree = or another. I can't recall who it was - doesn't really matter. This person = thought that the term ought to be dropped and that we should just get on with = the business of asking questions!<BR>> <BR>> You wrote:<BR>> = <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> -----Are you a piano technician? You have basically = asked how to regulate and weigh off an upright piano. There are entire books and = courses dedicated to just these procedures.......<BR>> In the original post = what I was asking was about key weight and whether anyone could advise on any = possible regulation other than standard, which I'd already completed.<BR>> I = asked mainly seeking some advice on whether anyone would have regulated a = little differently. Perhaps someone has knowledge on the finer points of German = pianos?!<BR>> Here is what I wrote:<BR>> <BR>> "The job was = fairly basic. New dampers, tapes, etc. I regulated it to what I thought was a = fair standard. Key height 20mm. drop 10.5mm, blow 47mm, setoff 3mm, dampers = begin the travel half way thru' the blow, Key mortices are OK. "<BR>> <BR>> = Steve Martin.<BR>> <BR>> P.S. Local experts are thousands of kilometers = away from here, and even then I'm not sure about how many of them I'd = trust.<BR>> <BR>> Have a great day!!<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> =  Original Message ----- <BR>> From: "Farrell" <</FONT><A href="mailto:mfarrel2@tampabay.rr.com"><FONT face=Arial size=2>mfarrel2@tampabay.rr.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial = size=2>><BR>> To: "Pianotech" <</FONT><A href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org"><FONT = face=Arial size=2>pianotech@ptg.org</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial = size=2>><BR>> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 9:56 PM<BR>> Subject: Re: Old German = Piano<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> > Steve:<BR>> > <BR>> > Are you a piano = technician? You have basically asked how to regulate and weigh off an = upright piano. There are entire books and courses dedicated to just these procedures.<BR>> > <BR>> > I certainly don't mean to = discourage you from working on pianos and asking about them, but I would recommend = attending classes at regional and National PTG conferences to learn about these procedures. Have you done that? Do you have Reblitz? Solving a = touchweight problem is something that can baffle even a experienced piano technician = veteran. You might want to at least get a local expert to spend a few = hours in consultation with you.<BR>> > <BR>> > Just some = thoughts.<BR>> > <BR>> > Terry Farrell<BR>> >   <BR>> > = ----- Original Message ----- <BR>> > From: "Steve Martin" <</FONT><A href="mailto:smartin@dodo.com.au"><FONT face=Arial size=2>smartin@dodo.com.au</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial = size=2>><BR>> > To: <</FONT><A href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org"><FONT face=Arial size=2>pianotech@ptg.org</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial = size=2>><BR>> > Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 11:48 PM<BR>> > Subject: Old German Piano<BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > Robert<BR>> > = <BR>> > A German upright (UR) piano. Sorry about the spelling!!<BR>> > = <BR>> > I would appreciate any serious comments.<BR>> > <BR>> > = Steve Martin.<BR>> > <BR>> > _______________________________________________<BR>> > pianotech = list info: </FONT><A = href="https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives"><FONT face=Arial size=2>https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives</FONT></A><BR><FON= T face=Arial size=2>> > <BR>> <BR>> _______________________________________________<BR>> pianotech list = info: </FONT><A href="https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives"><FONT = face=Arial size=2>https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives</FONT></A><BR><FON= T face=Arial size=2>> </FONT></BODY></HTML>