<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; = charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 5.50.4913.1100" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Bill, if I really wanted to fix the = problem, I'd go the route of the Epoxy. Clean off the excess. Just check the = relationship of the pin to the notch; that can be equally important. I've found Kimballs to = be so prone to poor workmanship as to balk at even trying to take on cleaning = up the tone. You've been warned!</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>    Look, I hope that = you weren't really sick. The first time I worked on a Kimball, I was sick about it = too! I have this idea about what a piano should sound like, and I was upset = that I couldn't get this one anywhere close. I think the first piano I ever = tuned for pay was a Kimball spinet. And here at home I had a Yamaha G2J that was beautiful. I only charged him the bare minimum, I was so embarrassed. He = thought it sounded pretty good. Now I know better; it's not me.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>    And this has been = another lesson for you; don't point out things like this to the customer unless = </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>        = A)  They're bothered by it, and</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>        = B)  You can fix it.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>    When I started doing = this, I didn't have this resource, I wish I did. I was out in the boonies, but I = made sure I drove the two hundred mile round trip to go to chapter meeting = every month.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>    </FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B> <A title=pianowrmonroe@hotmail.com href="mailto:pianowrmonroe@hotmail.com">William R. Monroe</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, March 01, 2002 = 7:22 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: False Beats</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Book Antiqua">Kevin,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Book Antiqua"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Book Antiqua">Not my piano, but my tuning!!  I = finished a tuning and was sick.  I kind of felt the need to point out the = false beats to the client in an effort to save face on the tuning.  = Essentially demonstrated the problem by muting two of the three strings and said = that if it is too much of a distraction (for his two daughters who play) that = we could try a couple things to fix them.  What is your take on removing = the bridge pins and putting epoxy in there and seeing what that does (if = they are loose)?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Book Antiqua"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Book Antiqua">William R. Monroe<BR>PTG = Associate<BR>Salt Lake City, UT</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B> <A title=ramsey@extremezone.com = href="mailto:ramsey@extremezone.com">Kevin E. Ramsey</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, March 01, 2002 = 7:11 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: False = Beats</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>    You know, Bill. = False beats are in almost every piano. Is the customer complaining, or are you = the customer? If the customer doesn't seem to notice, then don't bring = it up. If it's your piano and you really want to get rid of those beats, it = may be possible, if you want to re-pin and re-notch the bridge, re-radius = the bearing bar, and re-string. I've come to the conclusion that 90% of = all false beats come from bridge pins that are either not perfectly = aligned with the notch, or have some looseness in the bridge. Just my two cents = worth. When I was new to the trade I went on a quest to find the answer for = how to quickly and effectively get rid of false beats. Nobody really had = the answer. Sometimes it can actually be bad wire work, but I really = think that you could restring a whole section and if that's all you did, you'd = still have false beats.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>    But that's just = my opinion. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>    Wait,,, I just = read you posting again,,,,,,,, I missed that part about it being a Kimball..     Forget it Bill. Nothing's going to = work.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- = </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B> <A title=pianowrmonroe@hotmail.com href="mailto:pianowrmonroe@hotmail.com">William R. Monroe</A> = </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">Pianotech</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, March 01, = 2002 6:13 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> False Beats</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Book Antiqua">List,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Book Antiqua"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Book Antiqua">I serviced a 1973 Kimball Grand = today that has some serious false beats in the upper tenor and treble = sections.  Tried dressing them to the bridge and did not noticeably = help.  Looked over key points and everything seems to be in order (bridge = pinning and notching look good, agraffes seem to be applying adequate downpressure).  Is there anything I may have overlooked = before I suggest replacing some of the offenders?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Book Antiqua"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Book Antiqua">William R. Monroe</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Book Antiqua">Associate PTG</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Book Antiqua">Salt Lake City, UT</FONT></DIV> = <DIV> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>