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<DIV><SPAN class=640190119-24122004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2>Merry
Christmas All!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=640190119-24122004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=640190119-24122004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2>I am a
technician "in training" up here in Door County, Wisconsin. It is =
a white
and COLD Christmas. I'm in an apprenticeship with Peter Nehlsen,
RPT of Washington Island. I have many stories and =
experiences
from my many trips to the Island to learn in his =
shop.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=640190119-24122004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=640190119-24122004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2>I am
learning so much in my apprenticeship and it is so valuable to be a part =
of this
listserv. Thank you all for sharing your knowledge and experience =
on so
many different topics. Hopefully I'll be able to add something =
from my
experience in the future. Until then, I appreciate all of =
you! Thank
you!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=640190119-24122004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=640190119-24122004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2>On a
side note-- David, "Spif" is a common term used in the sales =
world. When I
used to be a mortgage broker, we would often get a "spif" from realtors =
for
referring business. Or we might get a "spif" from the company for
exemplary performance. At our business, it was an acronym for =
"Special
Performance Incentive Fund (or Fee)." I don't know how this would =
fit in
with the referral of the sale of a piano...but it's interesting to note
parallels from the different sales worlds.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=640190119-24122004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=640190119-24122004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2>Merry
Christmas and Happy Holidays to you ALL!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=640190119-24122004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=640190119-24122004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2>Sincerely,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=640190119-24122004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=640190119-24122004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2>Andrew
Olson</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=640190119-24122004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2>Sturgeon Bay, Wisconsin</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=640190119-24122004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=640190119-24122004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2>Birch
Creek Music Performance Center, Egg Harbor, =
Wisconsin</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT =
face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> =
pianotech-bounces@ptg.org
[mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org]<B>On Behalf Of </B>David
Love<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, December 24, 2004 11:53 AM<BR><B>To:</B>
'Pianotech'<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: Piano Finder =
Fee<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=Section1>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">On the =
surface that
seems a bit harsh.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> =
</SPAN>Having a
finder’s fee which is split between buyer and seller would not =
be an unusual
arrangement and would defer costs slightly from each party. <SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>As long as there wasn’t =
a conflict of
interest driving the sale. <SPAN style="mso-spacerun: =
yes"> </SPAN>I
obviously don’t know the specifics surrounding the deal but I =
certainly see
guild members doing things that seem less ethical—maybe just =
more
incompetent—than that and are members in good standing.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It appears that the tech =
simply asked
for a fee after the fact.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> =
</SPAN>No harm
in asking.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>If the =
dealer wanted
to give a “spiff” (never heard that word before), then =
that’s up to the
dealer, it seems to me.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> =
</SPAN>I
wouldn’t do it that way myself, but barring him from membership =
in the
guild?<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Maybe a =
discussion of what
is considered ethical conduct in the guild would have been more
appropriate.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">More =
typically, a
“finders” fee is paid by the customer who wishes to employ =
your services and
is separate from a “commission” paid by the seller. <SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Finder’s fees or =
commissions can either
be a flat fee or a percentage of the sale.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Commissions from the seller =
vary from
dealer to dealer and party to party and, like all such fees, are best
negotiated in advance.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> =
</SPAN>This is
separate yet from a fee for inspection in which you are hired to go =
inspect a
piano and might amount to a fee similar to a service call.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Commissions for independent =
techs
(different from a commission if you are a dealer taking in a piano on
consignment) typically range between 3% and 15% probably averaging =
around
10%.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<DIV>
<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; mso-no-proof: yes">David
Love<BR></SPAN></FONT><st1:PersonName><FONT color=navy =
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; mso-no-proof: =
yes">davidlovepianos@comcast.net</SPAN></FONT></st1:PersonName><FONT
color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; mso-no-proof: yes">
</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Tahoma =
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">-----Original
Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B>
pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Paul =
McCloud<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Friday, December 24, 2004 =
7:46
AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B>
</SPAN></FONT><st1:PersonName><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Tahoma">Pianotech</SPAN></FONT></st1:PersonName><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: Piano Finder
Fee</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times =
New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: =
12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="MS =
Sans Serif"
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans =
Serif'">A few years
ago, I had invited a technician to join the local Guild chapter. =
The
following incident caused him to be barred from entrance into the
Guild. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="MS =
Sans Serif"
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans =
Serif'">The tech was
hired to look at a S&S grand at our store. We don't sell new =
Steinways, but had several used ones for sale. The customer =
didn't like
any of them, so they went to the Steinway dealer to look at new =
ones. He
was asked to evaluate one of the pianos there. Without removing =
the
action, he looked it over and declared it suitable for his =
customer. The
customer paid him for his services. Later, he approached the =
salesperson
and asked if there might be some spiff for bringing in his =
customer. His
reasoning was that our store (not Steinway franchise dealer) was going =
to give
him one, so would they offer him one as well? It wasn't arm =
twisting,
but he did get a spiff from the dealer. Another tech (Guild =
member) was
present for the sale at the dealer. When he found that this tech =
had
received pay from both dealer and customer, he used his influence to =
have this
tech barred from membership.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="MS =
Sans Serif"
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans =
Serif'">Paul
McCloud<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="MS =
Sans Serif"
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans =
Serif'">San
Diego<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="MS =
Sans Serif"
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans =
Serif'"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="MS =
Sans Serif"
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans =
Serif'"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial =
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">----- Original Message =
-----
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV style="font-color: black">
<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; MARGIN-LEFT: =
0.5in"><B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"> <A
title=sarah@graphic-fusion.com =
href="mailto:sarah@graphic-fusion.com">Sarah
Fox</A> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><B><FONT =
face=Arial
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">To: =
</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><A =
title=pianotech@ptg.org
=
href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">Pianotech</A><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT><=
/P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><B><FONT =
face=Arial
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">Sent:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">
12/24/2004 7:29:21 AM <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><B><FONT =
face=Arial
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">Subject:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"> Re:
Piano Finder Fee<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="MS =
Sans Serif"
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans =
Serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial =
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Hi =
Terry,</SPAN></FONT><FONT
face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans =
Serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="MS =
Sans Serif"
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans =
Serif'"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial =
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">My Wissner was located =
through a
third party who supposedly wanted a 10% finder's fee. It =
turns
out that the "real" fee he was trying to swing for himself (by lying =
to both
buyer and seller) was much, much higher -- something like 50% =
over the
seller's price. (In the end, the deal didn't happen the way he =
had
hoped.) Anyway, 10% was considered fair in NYC for a deal in =
which the
finder didn't really have to do any more than to put two parties in
contact. If you are doing other things for the buyer (e.g. =
evaluating
the pianos), then I would think you should ask more. Perhaps =
you could
charge a fee per piano that you evaluate, plus 10% of the
sale?</SPAN></FONT><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans =
Serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="MS =
Sans Serif"
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans =
Serif'"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial =
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">Peace,</SPAN></FONT><FONT
face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans =
Serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial =
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">Sarah</SPAN></FONT><FONT
face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans =
Serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="MS =
Sans Serif"
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans =
Serif'"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT =
face=Arial
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">----- =
Original
Message ----- <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV style="font-color: black">
<P class=MsoNormal
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><B><FONT =
face=Arial
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"> <A
title=terry@farrellpiano.com
href="mailto:terry@farrellpiano.com">Terry</A>
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><B><FONT =
face=Arial
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">To:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"> <A
title=pianotech@ptg.org
href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A>
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><B><FONT =
face=Arial
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">Sent:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">
Friday, December 24, 2004 8:15 =
AM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"> Piano
Finder Fee<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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face=Arial
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I =
have been asked
by a client of mine to find a good used piano for their daughter. =
I am
always happy to work with folks to get rid of the junk and get a =
nice
piano. The guy is willing to spend up to the $3K to $4K range =
(maybe
a nice used Yamy upright). He appears to be the type of guy =
that
simply doesn't have the time to do it himself, but wants it =
to
happen. He said "find me a nice piano and I'll take care of
you".</SPAN></FONT><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans =
Serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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Sans Serif"
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans =
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT =
face=Arial
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">We =
didn't talk
about any specifics.</SPAN></FONT><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" =
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans =
Serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="MS =
Sans Serif"
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans =
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT =
face=Arial
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">So it =
seems
apparent to me that he is willing to pay a finder's fee if I find =
him a
nice piano. I am aware that some dealers will sell a piano =
for a
private owner on consignment. I don't know what percentage is =
typical. I sold two bicycles at two different stores for a 25% =
consignment
fee. I have a third at another store that will charge a 15% =
consignment
fee. What kind of consignment fees do stores charge for a piano =
sold on
consignment. Is that any basis for a finder's =
fee?</SPAN></FONT><FONT
face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans =
Serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="MS =
Sans Serif"
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans =
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT =
face=Arial
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Has =
anyone done
this sort of thing for a third party? How did it work. What were =
the
financial arrangements?</SPAN></FONT><FONT face="MS Sans Serif"
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans =
Serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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face=Arial
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">Thanks.</SPAN></FONT><FONT
face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans =
Serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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Sans Serif"
size=2><SPAN
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT =
face=Arial
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Terry =
Farrell</SPAN></FONT><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans =
Serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></DI=
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