<HTML>In a message dated 1/15/02 7:47:54 PM Central Standard Time, oleg-i@wanadoo.fr (Isaac OLEG SIMANOT) writes: <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Just to say that I tuned a few pianos , verticals and grand's, with the Bill Bremmer method of equal tempered octaves. Thanks to Mr Bremmer to put his method on the Web </BLOCKQUOTE> Merci beaucoup, thank you, Oleg for your testimonial.  Yes, the Tempered Octaves method is surprisingly easy and yields beautiful and consistent results.  Perhaps some of those who find it hard to believe that I can tune as quickly as I can and do "all the checks" will realize that I don't need to any more than just one for each of the notes in the 1st, 2nd, 5th, 6th and 7th octaves and have results just as quickly and accurately as if I had used an ETD.  Also, this method is perfectly suited for ET, I developed it back in the early 1980's when I was still tuning ET. Now, Oleg, if you will make the effort to try to learn the EBVT, I am sure that you will find it to be superior to the Cordier temperament.  You will get the same good effect with Romantic music as you get with the Cordier but earlier music played in the simple keys with close harmony will sound much more harmonious. In my opinion, the idea of tuning a temperament with all pure 5ths is self serving to the tuner only.  A tuner does not like the sound of the tempered 5th when tuning and feels the urge to "correct" it.  This is what leads to the Reverse Well error.  If only all 5ths could be pure and all 3rds beat gently, we would all be in Tuner's Heaven but it cannot ever happen.  There will always be a consequence. Therefore, it is better to accept that fact and *arrange* the consequences to align themselves with the Cycle of 5ths.  The tempered 5th sound that is displeasing to a tuner will not be heard in the typical musical context.  The EBVT, as many HT's do provides a canceling out effect that causes that tempered sound to be "swallowed".  Also, my Tempered Octave method "cleans up" this sound in the outer octaves.  The EBVT with Tempered Octaves will provide you with the cleanest, purest, most harmonious sounding piano you have ever heard.  Try it and you will be amazed. Bill Bremmer RPT Madison, Wisconsin <A HREF="http://www.billbremmer.com/">Click here: -=w w w . b i l l b r e m m e r . c o m =-</A> </HTML>