<html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" = xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" = xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" = xmlns:st1="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" = xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> <head> <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; = charset=iso-8859-1"> <meta name=ProgId content=Word.Document> <meta name=Generator content="Microsoft Word 10"> <meta name=Originator content="Microsoft Word 10"> <link rel=File-List href="cid:filelist.xml@01C50B8B.53558380"> <o:SmartTagType = namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="PersonName"/>  <style>  </style>  </head> <body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple = style='tab-interval:.5in'> <div class=Section1> There is a fair amount of = discussion on the VT forum about tweaking styles in order to achieve the right tuning = for particular pianos. The = default style settings have built into them a certain amount of stretch in each octave = of the piano based on subjective research about what sounds best. None of the settings show a pure = octave on any particular octave of the piano but are expanded or contracted using a particular octave type as a basis. = Are you generally tuning on the “average”, = “expanded” or “clean” setting, or a custom style of your own or perhaps one of Ron Koval’s (or mine) who contributed much to = the discussion? A one style fits = all (stretch) was something I was working on quite a bit and was not able to find one = that worked for everything. Even = when I did find a good style fit, sometimes there would be a note or two or three = that needed to be modified to keep a smooth sequence of thirds or octaves = throughout the piano. I found that the = “average style” tended to stretch the bass more than I liked. I think the VT has a lot of nice = options that allow you to custom set everything to your liking. But I was never able to trust it = (or any other machine for that matter) enough to tune without listening and = checking at least somewhat. In fact, the = only complaints I have really gotten about tunings, ironically, were when I = did an A0 – C88 tuning without any interval checking. I agree that unisons must be tuned = by ear. I am a firm believer in = the use of machines as a second pair of ears. = But I would have to emphasize as a second pair, one’s own being the = first. A combination aural/electronic = tuning doesn’t take me any longer than 45 min – 1 hour and I do find them = especially useful for setting a perfect and effortless temperament. <o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <div> David Love <st1:PersonName>davidlovepianos@comcast.net</f= ont></st1:PersonName> = <o:p></o:p> </div> -----Original = Message----- From: = pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf Of <st1:PersonName>antares</span= ></st1:PersonName> Sent: Saturday, February = 05, 2005 1:42 PM To: Pianotech Subject: Re: working with = etd's and the customers' la-di-da <o:p> </o:p> On 5-feb-05, at 22:23, David Love wrote:<o:p></o:p> I found that in spite of the Verituner = hearing all partials, the decisions it made on some notes (not to mention style selections) periodically needed correction. Even if the machine hears = everything, it still must make a decision on where to put the note. To a certain degree, that decision is not made by the machine but by the = programmer. The style settings in the VT indicate which coincident partials will = be favored and to what degree in deciding how wide to make the octaves. While these styles can be tweaked for different pianos the question = will always arise as to whether the style you have chosen is a perfect = fit for the piano. While hearing all partials might increase accuracy = due to the greater amount of information available, it is not foolproof. The ear must ultimately be the final arbiter. David Love davidlovepianos@comcast.net <o:p></o:p> I do not agree. The VT is so incredibly accurate that it will be = extremely difficult to fine a human who can make the very same very precise = tuning, and... in 45 minutes. 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