<html> <blockquote type=cite class=cite cite> Susan I agree with you,but for some,my teacher use to tell me,you have to know,when it's as good as it's gonna get.You can spend 50 more minutes,and only improve it 2 %. Good tuning, Hazen Bannister </blockquote> I spend 50 more minutes, cursing slightly, and it improves 30%. Just enough that I feel I have to try. Well, I think that sweating unisons on crummy pianos leads to better unison tuning on concert pianos. Susan </html>