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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span =
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reaches from A0 to A7, so 7 8va, has normal =
pins<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I don’t know if it is strung =
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heavily but european wire sizes in the plain strings are ranging from =
the bass
break size 19,5 (US 19) to 14 (US 13,5) in the high =
treble<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Dave Doremus<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, March 04, =
2005 03:28<br>
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: Restoring =
Collard
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12.0pt'>A few quick thoughts, after a long day, if I goof please let me
know......<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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12.0pt'>On 3/3/05, Peter Joris said:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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font-family:Arial'>Currently I am restoring a Collard & Collard =
Grand
Serial: 16016 this should date between 1830 and 1840 I =
think.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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12.0pt'>Does anything about it make you think it is this early besides =
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number? Is it staight strung, no plate (gap spacers instead), 6 1/2 8va =
range,
square pins, etc? I'd suspect sight unseen that it is actually much =
newer, very
unusual to see one that old.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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font-family:Arial'>Im looking for information about what kind of strings =
to use
for the restinging, what felt to use for refelting the hammers =
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12.0pt'>If it really is that old, the hammers were probably a =
combination of
felt and leather layers. Rose C wire might work. If newer consider =
puresound, I
dont know of any other softer wire for victorian pianos. There is a co. =
in <st1:country-region
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w:st="on">France</st1:place></st1:country-region> that
will recover old moldings, Fletcher and Newman used to, but I think they =
are
out of the business.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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font-family:Arial'>It was tuned to A440 and it holds very =
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If it really is that old 440 is probably way =
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font-family:Arial'>I am thinking of a rescale, so it can be tuned at =
A440
afterwards with a lower tension, doess anybody has experience with =
this?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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12.0pt'>If it is a later instrument (1880s?), it was probably tuned =
higher than
440, strung fairly heavy, and actually wants a higher tension to sound =
decent.
If you lower tension you will loose tone. If it is from the 30's you =
want to
think about tuning at 425 or 430 at the =
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