<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; = charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2900.2802" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY id=role_body style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #000000; = FONT-FAMILY: Arial" bottomMargin=7 bgColor=#ffffff leftMargin=7 topMargin=7 = rightMargin=7> <DIV> <DIV><EM>Remember of course that when we measure touch weights on a = grand action, the action is usually on the bench or otherwise separated from = the damper assembly (say, by putting the sustain pedal on). In effect you've = made the action feel as those the sustain pedal is on, even when it = isn't.</EM></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="WORD-SPACING: 0px; FONT: 12px Helvetica; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; = COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: normal; = LETTER-SPACING: normal; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; border-spacing: 0px = 0px; khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; apple-text-size-adjust: = auto; orphans: 2; widows: 2"><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 10px; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial"><FONT size=2><EM></EM></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2><EM>True enough, but we're talking about real world playing.  Measuring on the bench doesn't give an accurate account = of what the player actually feels with the piano fully = assembled.</EM></FONT></DIV> <DIV><EM><FONT size=2></FONT></EM> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3>Just for clarification here, Mr. Bill was referring = to measuring action touch weight. Action touch weight implies action only - = no dampers. So, measuring action touchweight on the bench should yield the = same results as measuring touch weight in the piano. Now if one wishes to = measure the effect of damper lift on downweight and upweight, of course, that needs = to be done in the piano.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3>That brings up a whole 'nuther question: what is the = desired range(s) of increase to touchweight that damper lift would induce? I = don't know that I've ever read anything about that.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3>Terry Farrell</FONT></DIV></SPAN></SPAN></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><FONT id=role_document face=Arial color=#000000 size=2> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue 2px = solid"><FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=Arial color=#000000 = size=2> <DIV>On Jan 18, 2006, at 11:13 PM, <A = title=mailto:Piannaman@aol.com href="mailto:Piannaman@aol.com">Piannaman@aol.com</A> wrote:</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="WORD-SPACING: 0px; FONT: 12px Helvetica; TEXT-TRANSFORM: = none; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: normal; = LETTER-SPACING: normal; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; border-spacing: 0px = 0px; khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; apple-text-size-adjust: = auto; orphans: 2; widows: 2"><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 10px; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial">I've read opinions about this where some techs say that changing = damper timing "doesn't really lighten the touch, it only gives that perception."  <BR></SPAN></SPAN></BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV><BR class=khtml-block-placeholder></DIV> <DIV>Remember of course that when we measure touch weights on a = grand action, the action is usually on the bench or otherwise separated = from the damper assembly (say, by putting the sustain pedal on). In effect = you've made the action feel as those the sustain pedal is on, even when it isn't.</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="WORD-SPACING: 0px; FONT: 12px Helvetica; TEXT-TRANSFORM: = none; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: normal; = LETTER-SPACING: normal; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; border-spacing: 0px = 0px; khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; apple-text-size-adjust: = auto; orphans: 2; widows: 2"><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 10px; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial"></FONT> </BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>True enough, but we're talking about real world playing.  Measuring on the bench doesn't give an accurate account = of what the player actually feels with the piano fully assembled.</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue 2px = solid"> <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: = transparent" face=Arial color=#000000><BR></SPAN></SPAN> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>It's now alot easier to play staccato, but much harder to play = legato. The conventional damper timing regulation would favor neither of = these, balancing in the middle between the two of = them.</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This is what I was initially worried about.  I've heard that = said before, so I was cognizant of it going in.  I was surprised to = find out that it really didn't seem to be the case.  Nobody else who = played it noticed any difficulty in legato playing(or for that matter, greater = ease in playing staccato...).  Believe me, if I'd noticed that it altered = the legato/staccato effects that much, I'd never have done it the second time...:-[}  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And like a said before, one of the best parts about this = operation is that it's easily reversible.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=Arial = color=#000000 size=2>Dave Stahl (Gumby....?)<BR></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue 2px = solid"> <DIV><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="WORD-SPACING: 0px; FONT: 12px Helvetica; TEXT-TRANSFORM: = none; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: normal; = LETTER-SPACING: normal; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; border-spacing: 0px = 0px; khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; apple-text-size-adjust: = auto; orphans: 2; widows: 2"><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="WORD-SPACING: 0px; FONT: 12px Helvetica; TEXT-TRANSFORM: = none; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: normal; = LETTER-SPACING: normal; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; border-spacing: 0px = 0px; khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; apple-text-size-adjust: = auto; orphans: 2; widows: 2"> <DIV>Mr. Bill</DIV></SPAN></SPAN></DIV></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></B= ODY></HTML>