<!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"> <html> <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF" link="#0000EE" vlink="#551A8B" alink="#FF0000">   Ron Nossaman wrote: <blockquote TYPE=CITE>>> If you are talking about alternate realities, and soundboard assemblies that >> are built with no intention of producing a working soundboard, I wish you >> would say that up front and save everyone some time. I, at least, was >> attempting to seriously discuss practical concerns and real world phenomena. > >This is the second time you have bordered (if not crossed) into the arena of >personal slurs since I have been participating in this list. They do you no >credit, are uneccessary, and annoying. -------------------------------------------------- >Richard Brekne * This was not, and is not, a personal slur. It was intended just as I wrote it, as a request to define the parameters if he was arguing a point that didn't come up in real life, before we were 10,000 words into the discussion. I thought his point was so far outside the direction of the discussion that I felt abused for having stuck with him this far. There is so much mythology and misunderstanding about soundboard construction and function that we really ought to get a few of the fundamentals down before we go off into unnecessarily esoteric concepts . His posts up to this point indicated to me, at least, that he had some misunderstandings concerning these fundamentals. It seems only right and proper, again, to me, that if he were interested in learning these fundamentals, he would have stuck with us and his posts would have indicated that he did understand the material. This kind of thing chops the content of the posts up so badly, that anyone honestly trying to follow the concepts is left with a hopeless mish mash of conflicting fragments that don't connect in any rational manner. I think this is a disservice to those who logged on to learn something.</blockquote> Lets see.. First you say you havent slured or demeaned the guy... then you go on to say you were "abused for having stuck with him this far" , That his posts consisted basically of "unnecessarily esoteric concepts". You declare he doesnt understand the fundementals and say that  "This kind of thing chops the content of the posts up so badly, that anyone honestly trying to follow the concepts is left with a hopeless mish mash of conflicting fragments that don't connect in any rational manner", finishing off with accusing him of doing a disservice to others logged on to learn something.. Sorry Ron.. Do your self and the rest of us a favor and drop the non issue comments. The are demeaning, (perhaps you are not aware of that ??) they serve no constructive purpose and have absolutely nothing to do with the issues. As far as disservice to those who logged on to learn... Hey bud... I picked up a lot on this thread. People are quite able to think for themselves, to draw their own conclusions. If any disservice is done, it is that such threads are forced off on personal comments tangents where a participants "seriousness" are brought into question. Now personally I can read past all this... and as with the other person who in the past have ventured into this arena.. I will write this to you only once.. and will drop this particular tangent here and now. You may continue being aggressive with those you deem are misinformed and wrong if that is what you want to do.. but it only subtracts from all the good info and encouragement found elsewhere in your posts. <blockquote TYPE=CITE>Also, since you feel that my conduct is already over the line, and chose to call me on it, it couldn't hurt to ask something of you in return. If you tried to reserve your commentary more to your own thoughts, instead of arguing second hand on the basis of the words and presumed intents of someone else, the people who respond to you would have a better idea of who they're talking to. No offense, there is just an awful lot of scatter-shot randomness that makes it incredibly difficult to backtrack, unravel, and address everything at once. This just my opinion, however, and doesn't have any bearing in the real world either.</blockquote> And just what on earth is this varvel supposed to mean. Ron you know nothing really at all about me, or who I am, or what my qualifications are. If you have drawn up preconceptions about me based on the few words you have read on this list, well what can I say.  In any case I will reserve what words and thoughts I myself deem correct to reserve, and I will relate my "read" of books and articles as I desire. The whole point of this kind of list is to "exchange" ideas and thoughts in an air of mutual respect, and allow folks to learn from the disscussion. We are not here to simply ask questions and get "the Word" from one or two people. People learn who they are talking to on their own, in there own fashion, and show respect, interest, encouragement, or the opposites to these all after there own fashion. Such judgements say much more about the "judge" then the "judged" my friend. I would think about that a bit if I was you. Offense is taken... scatter shot randomness is not what is going on here. We are seriously trying to find our way in a forest of opinion, and non substantiated "facts" declared by a host of so called authorites, and it is impossible at times to know who to believe. If you find this process annoying, difficult, and irritating, well hey.. I dont. I find it enjoyable to watch how different minds think through things each on their own individual learning adventure. And I respect their right to move on that path as they choose, and to share their thoughts as they choose. <blockquote TYPE=CITE>  Thank you for listening.  Ron N</blockquote> Thanks the same... by the way... I am returning the "football bat" you threw at me last time we locked horns. (I was born and raised american Ron.. moved here in 1981), But hey,, seeings how that "bat" was not a "slur" I thought you might be missing it.. seeings how its such a novel object.. grin Richard Brekne I.C.P.T.G.  N.P.T.F. Bergen, Norway </body> </html>