<html> At 10:43 AM 08/30/2001 -0400, you wrote: <blockquote type=cite cite>"If the piano is more than 8 cents off pitch it should be tuned a second time that day to even off the tension. Just think how well the piano will sound a few years later..."   I'm trying to understand what you are saying here Jon. Are you saying that if the piano is more than 8 cents flat (or sharp) you should first do a pitch raise, and then do a separate tuning immediately after (or later in the day for some reason?)? Please differentiate between tuning and pitch raise and how many passes you might commonly do. If a piano is 5 cents flat do you commonly only do one pass, raising the pitch 5 cents while tuning? Thanks.   Terry Farrell  </blockquote> Wait, 8 cents is two beats.  I should have said 16 cents or 4 beats per second. A piano within 4 beats (~16 cents) can be left with an appreciable tuning for general use with one pass. A little beyond that maybe just a pass over the treble half a second time. It all depends on the situation. Concert work, 2 beats (8 cents) needs a pitch raise and tuning. That's where I went wrong. Lowering pitch is another thing altogether, more difficult. I'd rather raise 4 pianos than lower one. Regards, Jon Page,   piano technician Harwich Port, Cape Cod, Mass. <a href="mailto:jon.page@verizon.net" eudora="autourl">mailto:jon.page@</a>verizon<a href="mailto:jon.page@verizon.net" eudora="autourl">.net</a> <a href="http://www.stanwoodpiano.com/" eudora="autourl">http://www.stanwoodpiano.com</a> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~</html>