<HTML>In a message dated 2/15/2002 2:39:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, joegarrett@earthlink.net writes: <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">You called this sort of thing "Music", (twice). IMO it's noise. The definition of music is ORGANIZED sound. This, (again IMHO), is not organized, but simply random sound in an organized framework. IMO, best left to the RAPADAPPA group. </BLOCKQUOTE> How wonderful of you to use this term. Cage refers to all sound as music, and only limits western music to the term "organized sound."  In the world of randomness, the only thing that is truely random is the toss of a coin.  So the sounds from Cage's 4'33" or any of is other indeterminant works aren't as random as one might think. defending the art still, laurie</HTML>