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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>That should read, “That =
transition
point may sometimes need to be modified”.</span></font></p>
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<p><font size=2 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span =
style='font-size:10.0pt;
color:navy'>David Love</span></font><font size=2 color=navy><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:navy'><br>
davidlovepianos@comcast.net </span></font></p>
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face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original =
Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> =
pianotech-bounces@ptg.org
[mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] <b><span =
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf
Of </span></b></span></font><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span =
style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>David Love</span></font><font size=2 =
face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Saturday, February =
11, 2006
7:49 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> '</span></font><font =
size=2
face=Tahoma><span =
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>Pianotech =
List</span></font><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span =
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>'<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: Best Way to =
Tune A
Piano Using Accutuner III?</span></font></p>
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color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>To achieve the =
best
tuning, tune from the center out just like you would an aural =
tuning.
Corrections and inconsistencies will be much greater as you move away =
from the
center, and mostly on the bass side. Most of the adjustments I =
make are in
the bass (though sometimes in the tenor/treble transition as well) so =
starting
at A0 often requires me to go back. Usually the change is that the =
bass
is calculated flatter than I would like. There is also the issue =
of where
the SAT III changes octaves styles. In the bass it’s at C3 =
which is
tuned with a 4:2 comparison versus B2 which is tuned with a 6:3. =
<u>That
transition point may not sometimes need to be modified</u>. The =
best
method I’ve found if you are really striving for accuracy is to =
tune
starting with A3 and tune up to the top using your favorite checks as =
you go:
octaves, fourths, fifths, and thirds or tenths (which can for me =
all be
done with one hand) tuning unisons as you go. I don’t start =
at F3
because there are occasions where the bridge begins to hook at that =
point that
can cause you to have to alter the note somewhat. Then tune from =
G#3 down
using again your favorite checks. The nice thing about tuning down =
is
that by playing the note one octave above the note being tuned you will =
be able
to read the dial and compare coincident partials. For example, if =
you are
tuning A3 the machine is reading A5 (push the tune button and you will
see). If you play A4 and A3 alternately and read the dial, you can =
see
whether or not the machine is tuning that octave wide, just or =
narrow.
After you get to B2 the machine will change to a 6:3 octave. If =
you
don’t like the way the machine has stretched the bass, you can hit =
the
tune button and go to direct interval tuning where you are listening and =
reading
your coincident partial of choice. </span></font></p>
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color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Most of the time =
the
SATIII produces a pretty good tuning without having to worry about
modifications, but not always. The less consistent the FAC =
readings, the
more likely you are to have to modifiy to get a really fine =
tuning. Even
with good FAC readings, pianos are not scaled perfectly and there will =
often be
some group of notes that require modifying. When the SAT is used =
to set
up the RPT tuning test, it is not a pure canned tuning that gets =
used.
After the piano is tuned with the machine, it is gone over note for note =
and
adjustments are invariably made. One wouldn’t expect =
anything
different from a tuning you do for a customer. BTW, I found the =
same
thing to be true of the Verituner. Overall, it delivered a pretty =
good
tuning, but it was not perfect. The problem with all these =
machines is
that you have to program the weighting for the type of octaves you will =
tune at
any given point in the piano. That weighting changes from piano to =
piano.
When you tune aurally you (hopefully) pick up those changes naturally =
and make
adjustments on the fly. With the machines it is easy to ignore =
that
requirement and tune blind (or deaf). It just won’t always =
work out
as well as it could that way. </span></font></p>
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<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=navy face="Times =
New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:navy'>David Love<br>
davidlovepianos@comcast.net </span></font></p>
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face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original =
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> =
pianotech-bounces@ptg.org
[mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] <b><span =
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf
Of </span></b>Robert Finley<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Saturday, February =
11, 2006
6:57 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> pianotech@ptg.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Best Way to Tune =
A Piano
Using Accutuner III?</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 =
face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>For those of you who use an
Accutuner III, which way would you recommend using it to achieve a fine =
tuning?
I have heard several different and conflicting opinions, and I am
wondering what to make of it. </span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 =
face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>A friend of mine told me he =
achieves
a good tuning by using the SAT III to perform the FAC calculation, =
and
then tuning chromatically up the piano from A0, note by note, also
tuning the unisons as he goes, and aurally checking the octaves and =
other
intervals. Someone else told me that this would be the method to use =
only for
pitch raising and achieving stability, but not for fine =
tuning. Another
person told me that the temperament should be tuned first =
and
then spread up the piano by octaves and then lower. Aural =
checks
would be done to ensure that everything sounds correct and the beat =
rates of
the intervals are what they should be. </span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 =
face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Your opinion on this =
will be
much appreciated. Thank you very much. </span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 =
face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Robert =
Finley</span></font></p>
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