<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <html> <head> <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; = charset=US-ASCII"> <meta name=Generator content="Microsoft Word 10 (filtered)"> <style>  </style> </head> <body bgcolor=white lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=blue> <div class=Section1> I prefer Mr. Finley’s method = for the simple reason that initially you want to reinforce what it is you want = to hear rather than making mistakes and then going back and making = corrections.  It is always easier to learn it correctly the first time rather than = unlearn it and learn it correctly later.  Therefore, I would tend to (if you = are using the SAT III) program a tuning sequence into the machine and tune = aurally along with it listening to the intervals and checks as you go.  You = also might find that you disagree with the machine in certain sections of the piano especially through the tenor and in the bass below C3 (that’s the = point at which the machine is preprogrammed to switch from a 4:2 to a 6:3 = octave—it’s not always the perfect transitional point).  Tune 95% along with = the machine and then test yourself now and then going in the same = sequence.  You will establish a beat memory more quickly and I think you will = progress faster.    <div> David Love davidlovepianos@comcast.net </div> -----Original = Message----- From: = pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf Of Robert Finley Sent: Wednesday, February = 08, 2006 6:35 PM To: pianotech@ptg.org Subject: Re: Using an ETD = to hone aural skills   <div> I am also learning to tune = aurally using a Sanderson Accutner III to check my accuracy. My piano is a = Yamaha 5'3" grand which is well scaled, although some of the beats = are  quite weak to hear, and I have noticed a few false beats too. = </div> <div>   </div> <div> I also use the same Potter = FA temperament (I am doing his correspondence course) and use a similar = procedure to what you describe, although I also tune A440 to a fork by comparing = the beat rate of the fork and F3 with the note A4 and F3. </div> <div>   </div> <div> One thing I have done when = tuning the temperament is to tune each interval with the SAT and then listen to = the beat rate so I know what it should sound like, and also do the various = test to hear how the beat rate (such as speed of the major 3rds) gradually = increases as you go higher in pitch. I also tune each interval aurally and then check = it with the SAT as you do. Each way has it's benefits. </div> <div>   </div> <div> Robert = Finley </div> <div>   </div> <div> ----- Original Message ----- = </div> <blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid black = 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt; margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'= > <div style='font-color:black'> From:</span= > <a href="mailto:a440@bresnan.net" title="a440@bresnan.net">A440 Piano = Service</a> </div> <div> To:<= /font> <a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org" title="pianotech@ptg.org">PTG = List</a> </div> <div> Sent:</span= > Wednesday, February 08, 2006 8:21 PM </div> <div> Subject:</s= pan> Using an ETD to hone aural skills </div> <div>   </div> <div>   <pre style='margin-left:.5in'>Hi = people,</pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'>I'm trying to = hone my aural tuning skills and I've come up with a method... = </pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'>I'd like to = hear others' feedback on this particular method, and about any other = kinds of methods you might recommend.</pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'> </pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'>Today I had a = nice tuning in a quiet house.  It was a Yamaha Grand, = a</pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'>C3 in good = shape.  So I took the opportunity to "keep score" on = my</pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'>aural = tuning.  I used Potter F-A II.</pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'> </pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'>What I did = was:</pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'>1.  Take = F-A-C readings and let the SAT calculate a = tuning.</pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'>2.  Set = the A4 with the machine.</pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'>3.  Tune = the temperament by ear from there.</pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'>4.  = Compare my note with the machine's calculation.</pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'>5.  Write = down how far off I was (in cents).</pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'>6.  = Re-tune with machine and go to the next note, lather, rinse = and</pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'>repeat.</pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'> </pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'>Here's my = scorecard:</pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'>A3: = -.1</pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'>F3:  = -.2</pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'>F4:  = +.9</pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'>C#4:  = -.8</pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'>D4:  dead = on!</pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'>A#3: -2.7, = retried: -2.2.  Found out D4 (where I was tuning the = third</pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'>from had = drifted flat - gotta work on my stability!)</pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'> </pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'>F#3: = -.5</pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'>D#4: dead = on!</pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'>B3:  = -2.8  (oops!)  retry: dead on!</pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'>G3:  = +.2</pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'>E4:  = -.4</pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'>C4:  dead = on!</pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'>G#3: = -.8</pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'>F#4: = -.1</pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'>G4:  dead = on</pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'>G#4: = -.3</pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'> </pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'>So = howzzat?  Not too bad, I'm thinking.  My tendency looks to be = that</pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'>I tend to tune = flat (slower beating), but I think I'll need a few = more</pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'>scorecards to = make a statistical judgement.  And I have to work on = the</pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'>stability = thing, too, obviously.  I get so caught up in the = beat</pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'>speeds that I = lose track of that fundamental skill of setting = the</pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'>string and the = pin.</pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'> </pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'>Are any of you = doing practice things with your ETDs?  How do you use = them?</pre></div> </blockquote> </div> </body> </html>