<HTML><HEAD><TITLE></TITLE> <META http-equiv=Content-Type= content=text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1></HEAD> <BODY text=#000000 bgColor=#ffffff>Well, now we've got a skilled= aural tuner who now uses a ETD and his ear, i.e. he has= experience both, and we have you who tune by ear only. (I= believe?)   Don't you think you should be= investigating the potential of ETDs in improving you= tuning?   Maybe you think it can't be= improved? David Ilvedson <DIV style="PADDING-RIGHT: 5px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px;= PADDING-BOTTOM: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 3px solid;= PADDING-TOP: 5px"> <HR> Original message From: Richard Brekne= <RICHARD.BREKNE@GRIEG.UIB.NO> To: Newtonburg= <PIANOTECH@PTG.ORG> Received: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 23:00:39= +0100 Subject: re: aint what I signed up for <BLOCKQUOTE>  </BLOCKQUOTE>This is where I have= to disagree with you my freind. There is no evidence to support= the claim that using ETD's (without qualification of how they= are used) in general contributes to a positive developement in a= tuners skills.  My own experience with the US testing= process would indicate to me that there is indeed good cause for= concern. I find this kind of statement made often by ETD= enthusiasts who are very good aural tuners, and the reasons they= give are reasons I can most certainly accept, yet in most cases= they do not seem to relate to the person who never has learned= these skills to the same degree... nor the person who so heavily= relies on ETD's that years go by since the last time they= actually practiced their aural skills. This, I think, is= a valid concern... and until it is shown conclusively to be= false... I am forced to continue to position myself behind= it. All this said.... I really rather think the only real= significant difference between your view and my own, is how we= go about stating them.  I notice by your closing statement,= you too underline the need to be able to oversee the ETD. = The central point to my position. Cheers RicB <BLOCKQUOTE>And the beauty of it all, meaning : having tuned= aurally AND having tuned Machinically, is thatt when the= battery is empty, I happily continue tuning with da= pinkies. And tuning with a good machine does not make us numb= or dumb, it makes us sharp and keen. I do not and= shall never rely on an ETD only. I have proved this to myself= and to others. I done an aural tuning test over and over till= I dropped. Capisce encora? ((;= <>;)) </BLOCKQUOTE><PRE> </PRE></DIV></BODY></HTML>