<HTML><HTML>In a message dated 6/25/2005 7:39:1= 6 PM Central Standard Time, Erwinspiano@aol.com writes: <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT= : 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">my experiece with this much twi= sting always ends up in false beats. I only do this when I have a particular= ly dead string the won't sing at 1 or 2 twist &stretched for a week or t= wo. Then in desperation &nother twist or so. If it comes up great but la= ter I find them false.</BLOCKQUOTE> Dale (and Del): There's no accounting for the widely claimed phenomenon of false beats attri= buted to string twisting; my feeling (short of research) is that this is "po= st hoc ergo propter hoc" reasoning or false cause rather than false beats (r= eal beats?). My thinking is that it might have to do with interference in th= e sinusoidal wave form of the string (take a thick rope so you can see it an= d twist it; it will begin to clump at the twist points as it shortens; more = tension will hide that, but the shortening effect is still there). Another p= ossible cause of beating might be that the terminations are now not stable w= ith the twists possibly shifting the position of the termination during vibr= ation. I frankly don't know. One thing I do know is that it is positively no= t necessary to twist bass strings more than 1 full turn to give them maximum= stability (tight coils). Any half turn is going to bend the wire back on it= self at the bridge pins and cause problems down the line. I also think that = what Del reported and what I have heard about factory work is just that: fac= tory work--a little is good, so more is better. Paul R-J</HTML>