<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; = charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2900.2668" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial size=2>Too late, I'm already asleep ....zzzzzzzz</FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT></STRONG> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial size=2>AF</FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT></STRONG> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial size=2> PS Consider the following;</FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT></STRONG> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>"it would seem to me that there would = be opportunity for higher partials to be all over the place "</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>That is the very reason why you should = listen to them so that you CAN put them in their place. They are very audible = in the lower tenor and bearing scale.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>"with the inharmonicity differences in = wire. I.e., a plain wire and wound wire. "</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Would this not be the very reason that manufacturers prefer the scale design of low tension in the lower tenor = to that of equalizing breaking strain  as in Yamaha GH1?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>"I still don't see how you use that = beat speed to put the wire being tuned into your tuning pattern. "</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The second partial intersection of the = 5ths would fall in to the same region on the keyboard as the first partial = intersection of the other main intervals ; 3rds, 4ths and 6ths.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>In a C to C octave the lower 5th = interval C to G will be the same beat rate as the higher 4th interval G to = C.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Once again</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>AF</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Not running for office, but for = cover!</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B> <A title=josephspiano@comcast.net href="mailto:josephspiano@comcast.net">Joseph Alkana</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">Pianotech</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, August 12, 2005 = 3:45 AM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: newbie = questions</DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT></STRONG><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>AF,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Considering the spread of a fifth, it = would seem to me that there would be opportunity for higher partials to be all = over the place with the inharmonicity differences in wire. I.e., a plain wire = and wound wire. By my ears, the beats of the higher partials are no where = near double sometimes, but I haven't really got into it yet. I still don't = see how you use that beat speed to put the wire being tuned into your tuning = pattern. More info, please.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Joseph Alkana RPT</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B> <A title=alan@forsythalan.wanadoo.co.uk href="mailto:alan@forsythalan.wanadoo.co.uk">alan forsyth</A> = </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">Pianotech</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, August 11, = 2005 6:40 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: newbie = questions</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial size=2>The beats are twice the = speed so you can make a much more accurate judgment as to the correctness of your = interval.</FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial = size=2></FONT></STRONG> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial size=2>AF</FONT></STRONG></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- = </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B> <A title=josephspiano@comcast.net href="mailto:josephspiano@comcast.net">Joseph Alkana</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">Pianotech</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, August 11, = 2005 11:25 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: newbie = questions</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>AF,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>And just exactly what would you = discern from hearing the second, or higher coincident partials? How would you = make use of the information at that point?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Just curious.</FONT></DIV> <DIV>Joseph Alkana RPT</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- = </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B> <A title=alan@forsythalan.wanadoo.co.uk href="mailto:alan@forsythalan.wanadoo.co.uk">alan forsyth</A> = </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">Pianotech</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, August = 11, 2005 2:57 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> newbie = questions</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV>From Alan Barnyard's post: "5ths have such a slow beat that = they are hard for most to tune accurately, as a primary = interval"</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial size=2>It's much easier to use = 5ths by listening to the second intersection of = partials and not the first. However you will have to sensitize your hearing = to discern that point.</FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial = size=2></FONT></STRONG> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial = size=2>AF</FONT></STRONG></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><= /BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>