<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD><TITLE></TITLE> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; = charset=Windows-1252"> <META content="MSHTML 5.50.4522.1800" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV>OK, fair enough, you may well be right, the strings are pretty = rusty.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>> I mean to do a couple more strings, leaving the = agraffes alone, and a couple more agraffes leaving the original strings in place, = to try to isolate the biggest contributor to the improvement, but haven't = gotten around to it.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>May be a good learning experience, but I think the = bottom line is when restringing, either recondition (I have and use the reamer from Pianotek) or replace the agraffes (I just replace usually) - don't = just leave them there and slop some gold paint on them (like what I always = have seen done).</FONT></DIV> <DIV> <SPAN id=__#Ath#SignaturePos__></SPAN> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B> <A title=mjbkspal@execpc.com = href="mailto:mjbkspal@execpc.com">Mike and Jane Spalding</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, January 18, 2002 = 7:59 AM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Painted String Rendering</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>Terry,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>My "learning to tune" piano had / has exactly the = same characteristic throughout the tenor agraffe section.  No paint, = but 75 years of rust, and conformation of string and agraffe to each other.  After attending a David Betts seminar on = agraffes at the Arlington convention, I restrung two of the worst notes, following = David's procedure for cleaning and reaming (tool available at Pianotek) the agraffe.  What a difference!  Those 6 strings now = render as smoothly as any strings on any piano I have run into.  I = mean to do a couple more strings, leaving the agraffes alone, and a couple more = agraffes leaving the original strings in place, to try to isolate the biggest contributor to the improvement, but haven't gotten around to = it.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>Regarding paint, I am doing some action work on a = M&H BB for a dealer, which he had restrung by someone else.  There is a = lot of gold paint on the strings, looks like overspray from touching up the plate.  I have tuned this piano, and didn't notice any problems = with string rendering.  Maybe the paint doesn't extend into the = agraffe bearing surfaces, but my bets are on rust, conformance, and burrs on = the agraffe, not paint.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>Good luck selling the restringing = job!</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>Mike</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B> <A title=mfarrel2@tampabay.rr.com href="mailto:mfarrel2@tampabay.rr.com">Farrell</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, January 18, = 2002 6:10 AM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Painted String Rendering</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV>I indicated in my original post that several times this tuning = and on previous tunings I have applied a liberal dose of Protek to the = string, the felt, the agraffe - all to no avail (maybe worked a little less bad, = but a bad problem still existed - I spent 3 hours tuning that monster that = was only about 4 cents flat - of course that included crawling around = looking for buzzes, pondering the sticky string thing, and afterward = listening to this woman rip through a bunch of Rachmananof (sp?) (the whole = process was not painful - even 60-year-old tubby bass strings don't sound all = that bad when you hit them just right and in the right order - and my = upper tenor section seemed to hold it's tune!).</DIV> <DIV> <SPAN id=__#Ath#SignaturePos__></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV>Terry Farrell</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- = </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B> <A title=mcpiano@globetrotter.net href="mailto:mcpiano@globetrotter.net">Marcel Carey</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 17, = 2002 11:03 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: Painted String = Rendering</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <P><FONT size=2><FONT face=Arial = color=#0000ff>Terry,<BR><BR>I remember someone telling this list that the culprit could very well be = friction between the strings and it's underfelt. I had a Heintzman that was = excatly like what you described and I cured it with a somewhat generous application of protek on the underfelt.<BR><BR>Try it out and let = us know.<BR><BR>Marcel Carey<BR></FONT><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: owner-pianotech@ptg.org [</FONT><A href="mailto:owner-pianotech@ptg.org"><FONT size=2>mailto:owner-pianotech@ptg.org</FONT></A><FONT = size=2>]On Behalf<BR>Of Farrell<BR>Sent: 17 janvier, 2002 17:30<BR>To: pianotech@ptg.org<BR>Subject: Painted String = Rendering<BR><BR><BR>I tuned a 1940s Baldwin L today. It has always been a nasty piano to tune.<BR><BR>Sounds like we have a good reason to restring. Yes?<BR><BR></FONT><FONT size=2><FONT face=Arial = color=#000080>If the customer can afford it GO FOR IT !<BR></FONT><BR>Terry = Farrell<BR><BR><BR><BR></FONT></P></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>= </BODY></HTML>