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Hi Jon,<br>
Not such an
unusual story, the organ business has as many bad tech's as we do.<br>
Now the mixtures are fun lll or lV not so bad,
try a mixture Vll, you will know nut's is all about.<br>
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At 09:08 PM 5/13/01 -0400, you wrote: <br>
<blockquote type=cite cite>My problem was that the organ is tuned
somewhere around 430.<br>
<br>
They want to play the organ with the piano for a performance.<br>
Themn they want to use the piano in accompaniment with hand bells at
440.<br>
Then back with the organ, then back with the hand bells. I gave up that
gig.<br>
<br>
Then organ people tell them that they would have to make considerable
alterations<br>
in pipe lengths to alter "voicing". I came in a few days
after one of their 'tuning' and<br>
was appalled, no amount of temperature or humidity fluctuation could
account for<br>
those dreadful intervals. I pointed it out to their organist, but
what do I know, I'm just a piano tuner.</blockquote><br>
<br>
Well Mr. Organist, you seem to let the organ tech do his own thing,
Live with it, I'm out of here.<br>
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<br>
<blockquote type=cite cite>I was present in another church when the
tuning was being done. One guy on the console,<br>
the other guy with a Conn pitch generator in the pipe chamber. No brain,
no pain; I guess.<br>
I mentioned about an SAT, RCT (all there was at the time) and received a
blank stare. <br>
Hearing protection would be my first priority in this
situation.</blockquote><br>
That good Eh! You are lucky it was not a one octave guitar tuner,
purchased from Walmart.<br>
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<blockquote type=cite cite>I attempted to help an another organist
by 'touching-up' the mix (little did I know what that was).<br>
After finding it and tending to those little whistles I would never do it
again without hearing protection.</blockquote><br>
Kind of like playing leap frog <G><br>
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Regards Roger<br>
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<br>
<blockquote type=cite cite>I though piano tuners were nuts, these guys
are really out there...<br>
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Regards,<br>
<br>
Jon Page<br>
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At 05:13 PM 05/13/2001 -0500, you wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=cite cite>Hi Joe,<br>
I did
not intend to pick, as I know it's a perenial problem<br>
with churches. Communication is key, with the music people, pipe
organ<br>
tech, and piano tech. Education has to go along with it.
other wise you<br>
end up with the he said, she said game. A lose, lose, scenerio. I have
been<br>
in the middle of those kinds of things, and also part of the
problem. A<br>
little older and some what wiser. I insist on having the 3 parties
meet.<br>
So solutions can be found. Many of the pipe organ techs will also
lay down<br>
a different bearing (temperament) than our standard ET.
Flue Work for<br>
instance has a very strong fundamental and less harmonic development
than<br>
the principal chorus. And both are quite different than piano strings,
in<br>
any given register.<br>
Team work is the answer if it can be fostered. Bare in mind,
that much of<br>
the beauty of a pipe organ, is it's space, and out of tuneness. Add
reverb<br>
time into the mix, and the game gets thicker. The big 16ft pipes
are<br>
usually a long way away from the piano.<br>
For me, get rid of the pianos in churches, and let us make a Joyful
noise<br>
unto the Lord. With a real pipe organ. <G><br>
Just some thoughts on the subject.<br>
Regards roger<br>
<br>
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At 02:24 PM 5/13/01 -0700, you wrote:<br>
>Roger,<br>
>Since you bi-directed this posting at me, I'll respond.<br>
>I was not "after" the Organ Tech!, but his lack of analysis
of this<br>
>particular church situation. If he had ascertained the ambient
temp/hum that<br>
>the church is "normally" at and achieved that before the
final tuning of the<br>
>organ, I think that the organ would have been a little closer to
A=440. Part<br>
>of the equation hasn't been discussed. Where Jeannie is, is right on
the<br>
>ocean. I suspect that while the organ tech was installing, etc.
the hall<br>
>was kept at a comfortable level for his benefit. Once he finished,
the<br>
>church went back to it's normal habit of not heating or cooling. IMHO
the<br>
>organ tech should have a long conversation with the powers that be,
at the<br>
>church, and emphasize the importance of constant temp/Humid
conditions.<br>
>There lies the problem. My original comment was too short.(for that
I<br>
>apologize) The best thing is IMHO to get the organ tech to retune the
whole<br>
>enchilada while the church is in it's normal temp/humid mode. Then,
at least<br>
>Jeannie won't have to tune the piano 12-15cents sharp and possibly
more. If<br>
>the organ "floats" a little sharp and a little flat, with
the average at<br>
>A=440, then it would be acceptable.<br>
>Regards,<br>
>Joe Garrett<br>
>----- Original Message -----<br>
>From: "jolly roger" <baldyam@sk.sympatico.ca><br>
>To: <pianotech@ptg.org><br>
>Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 11:00 AM<br>
>Subject: Re: Sharp organ</blockquote></blockquote><br>
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