<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; = charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2900.2523" name=GENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B> <A title=gagnemusic2@yahoo.com = href="mailto:gagnemusic2@yahoo.com">Marie Wendy</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">Pianotech</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, January 01, = 2005 5:20 AM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> My My My</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV>I have been reading these posts, thinking I could get my head = wrapped around a few terms and brands that I am not familiar with. Just so = very beginning right now but I am sure much more will amke sense as times = flies by while training.</DIV> <DIV>:-)</DIV> <DIV>My little sister years ago, used to sit on the john reading a = dictionary to learn terminology--AT AGE FOUR!</DIV> <DIV>She is very no- extremely eloquent in speech right now as a grown = woman.</DIV> <DIV>Me thinks I'll be on the john with the Piano Atlas.......</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hope everything comes out = alright.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Carl Meyer<BR>PTG assoc</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><IMG = src="http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/22.gif"></DIV> <DIV>Wendy Gagne</DIV> <DIV><A href="http://www.wd40piano.com">www.wd40piano.com</A></DIV> <DIV><A href="http://www.wd40piano.ca">www.wd40piano.ca</A></DIV> <DIV><BR><BR><B><I>"Lesher, Trent J." = <tlesher@sachnoff.com></I></B> wrote:</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px = solid"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2800.1400" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV>Hi Terry,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>What is this piano that you're working on?  I don't see = a metal spider, so I'm thinking it might be that Knabe you = mentioned.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>BTW, I am going to go look at a Bush & Lane Pompeiian in = Michigan next weekend.  It is one of what B&L called their "traditional uprights," which have the most massive = plates of all the B&L's, is a full 58", with the same speaking-length = scale as my current one but longer backscale in the bass and also longer = backscale at the bottom of the long bridge, and bass bridge direct to the = board (not cantilevered).  The Pompeiian is also my favorite of the = cabinet styles I've seen so far (same as I sent you a picture of last = year).  This vintage (1919) should have the Wessel Nickel and Gross = action, and maybe I'll be lucky and it has lost-motion compensation.  = However, while these models do have curved sounboard rims, they do not have = the plate-flange supported pin-block with the upward-extended = soundboard, but I'm not sure what extension in that direction does anyway (my = current one has the extension, and does have an enchanting lower ! = midrange, but who knows why?).  Any exciting developments after next = weekend, I'll report further.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Regards,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Trent Lesher</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV><FONT size=2>-----Original Message----- <BR><B>From:</B> = Terry [mailto:terry@farrellpiano.com] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Thu 12/30/2004 = 6:53 PM <BR><B>To:</B> Pianotech <BR><B>Cc:</B> <BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: = Recycled technology-cutoff bar<BR><BR></FONT></DIV> <DIV>Or if the original cut-off bar didn't cut enough off! - But = I used new wood, so you still win!   ;-)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Terry Farrell</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><IMG alt="" hspace=0 src="http://us.f613.mail.yahoo.com/ym/SSCN1065.JPG" = align=baseline border=0></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: = 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- = </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt = arial"><B>From:</B> <A title=Erwinspiano@aol.com href="mailto:Erwinspiano@aol.com">Erwinspiano@aol.com</A> = </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, = December 30, 2004 1:03 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Recycled technology-cutoff bar</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV><FONT id=role_document face=Arial = color=#000000 size=2> <DIV><FONT size=4>  List</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=4>     I find this kind = of thing fun when I can take a beautiful piece of previously engineered = something and adapt it to something else saving big time & = cash & utilizing something that originally was very = expensive to make & end up with a nice result</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=4>  A client brought in a 1900 ish = Baldwin upright that ended up needing more than it first = appeared, including a board. It wasn't worth doing so the decision was = made to scrap it. The tech who brought in the job wanted the beams = & such for the maple & I'll be able to = salvage the spruce in the lam. beams also. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=4>    The real jewel though = was that this piano had a laminated soundboard liner just like = Mason or Stwy grands & uprights ( not as thick as a grand ).  = I managed to get it off in nearly one piece with crow bars, = chisels & an Oklahama speed wrench.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=4>    Now coincidently I'm = replacing the board in a 6 ft. 1 inch Mason AA no. 28,246  which = has ribs so long a cutoff bar was <U>really</U> a = necessity.    </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=4>    The old Upright board = liner had plenty of stock for this & by fashioning it to fit the = corner of the AA I was able to install a straight 28 inch cut off bar = that reduced the overall length of 6 ribs as much as 13.5 = inches. My longest rib was 50" & one of the  longest I've = ever witnessed in any piano. This rib is now about 37.5 inches = long. I don't believe its possible to use ribs this long and expect = crown support for very long. Although my observations of the  AA's is limited the 13 rib = scale has shown the crown has not survived even with tension = resonator claims. Hence the few AA boards I've seen  are usually quite flat. The sound of this = piano though fair was quite lack luster in its tonal appeal if you know = what I mean even though the board was not seriously cracked = up</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=4>   The Mason AA has a very wide = body & hence very long ribs for a 6 ft 1" piano</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=4>   The original rib scale was as = follows on the left</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=4>   For clarity the </FONT><FONT size=4>measurements below are the actual rib speaking length = not including the piece in the notches.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=4>   </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=4>   1. 30       in = inches</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT = size=4>  <STRONG> 2. 37</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=4>   3. 45 --------38  = modified length</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=4>   4. = 50 --------37.5</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=4>   5. 46  -------35.5</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=4>   6. 40 --------32.5  </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=4>   7. = 34 --------29.5</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=4>   8. = 28 --------27</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=4>   9. 28</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=4>  10. 20</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=4>  11.18</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=4>  12. 15</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=4>  13. 13</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=4>  It's easy to see there is = far more hopes for the longevity of rib & crown stiffness than the = previous scale. this mod also get the bridge more nearly centered over = the long ribs which is IMO a good thing.This original bridge also has = the  transition bridge with all the usual funky tri-chords. It's receiving a modified trans. bridge with bi-chord replacements.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=4>  I'll let you know how it turns out = in a month or so. The action is done & case stripped. The parts are = in the finish process waiting for the belly man to get it done = so my finish guy(Roy) can have the case & plate.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=4>   Good new year to = all</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=4>    Dale Erwin</FONT></DIV> <DIV>    </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=4>   <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT lang=0 face=Arial size=2>Erwins Pianos = Restorations <BR>4721 Parker Rd.<BR>Modesto, Ca = 95357<BR>209-577-8397<BR>Rebuilt Steinway , Mason &Hamlin = Sales<BR>www.Erwinspiano.com</FONT></DIV></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT= ></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE> <P align=center><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><FONT = color=#0000ff>****** IMPORTANT NOTICE ******<BR>This e-mail, and any attachments hereto, = is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may = contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you = are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that = any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail, and any = attachments hereto, is strictly prohibited. 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