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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Dave Stahl wrote:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><BR><FONT face=Arial size=2>> Who originated this tuning =
method? I
may have missed something here somewhere...:-( </FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Dave,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I published this method in 1988 in
the my "Stopper tuning - Equal temeperament based on pure =
duodecimos
(12ths)" in the 3/1988 issue of the euro piano (european piano =
association
magazine) about P12 tuning.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>regards,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Bernhard Stopper</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=Piannaman@aol.com
href="mailto:Piannaman@aol.com">Piannaman@aol.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=pianotech@ptg.org
href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, June 02, 2004 =
7:35
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: P12 in Tunelab =
Pro</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=arial,helvetica><FONT size=2 =
PTSIZE="10">David,
John, Ric, List, <BR><BR>I learned to tune this way about a year ago. =
It
makes decent pianos sound good, and good pianos sound great. =
Can't say I
do it on every rental spinet I tune, but I have fewer and fewer of =
those to
contend with; it has been a career altering educational =
experience for
myself and my clients. <BR><BR>Pianos seem to expand, brighten, =
come to
life. One of my clients said his piano sounded louder. =
Many have
said that their pianos have never sounded so good, or in tune. =
Very
rewarding stuff, great technique. <BR><BR>Who originated this =
tuning
method? I may have missed something here somewhere...:-( =
<BR><BR>Dave
Stahl <BR><BR><BR>"I never met a perfect fifth I couldn't drink." =
Jack
Daniels <BR><BR>In a message dated 6/1/04 9:33:12 PM Pacific Daylight =
Time,
bigda@gte.net writes: <BR><BR><BR>
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TYPE="CITE"><BR>on 6/1/04 5:29 AM, John Formsma at =
john@formsmapiano.com
wrote: <BR><BR>> David Andersen responded: <BR>>> I don't =
think its
usefulness is questionable at all---I use it every <BR>> time I
<BR>>> tune, and following it has allowed me to become a =
really,
really good <BR>> piano <BR>>> tuner. <BR>> <BR>> =
..snip...
<BR>> <BR>>> That said, my temperament and most of the =
octaves I
set turn out to be <BR>> part <BR>>> of close-to-perfect =
5ths and
12ths. <BR>> <BR>> David, I agree with you about =
Virgil's
method. Whenever I tune (in ET) <BR>> that way, I end up with =
nearly pure
5ths and very nearly to pure 12ths. <BR>> All the octaves are =
pure
sounding when used in any combination. <BR>Exactly. <BR>> =
<BR>> There
is something about it that allows you to tap into the hidden power =
<BR>>
of that individual piano. I notice it EVERY time, whether it's a 9' =
<BR>>
Steinway or Yamaha U1 - it is a different and better sounding piano. =
<BR>EXACTLY. <BR>> <BR>> For me, it took a fair amount of =
listening
and practicing to say, "Yes, <BR>> I can now hear what is there." =
But it
was certainly worth it. <BR>I guess i was led into it by my teacher, =
Jack
Cofer, when I first learned <BR>how to tune almost 30 years ago. =
Worth it
for me? Yes times a million. <BR>> <BR>> Have you noticed that =
false
beats in the treble are greatly minimized <BR>> when tuning this =
way?
<BR>Absolutely, and it can cause many, many other psychoacoustic =
illusions
as <BR>well: bigger bass, more sustain, warmer voice, crisper, =
more
even action <BR>regulation---I've heard all of these comments after =
just a
real strong <BR>focused, natural beat aural tuning. And the =
capper:
<BR>"This sounds like a different piano; how'd you do that?" =
<BR>>
Regards, <BR>> <BR>> John Formsma <BR><BR>Hope this helps =
sincere
tuners who want to really experience a consistently <BR>beautiful =
and
precise and consistent tuning-----and have FUN doing it. =
<BR><BR>Best,
<BR><BR>David Andersen
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