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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span =
style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>It’s under action =
cloth.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span =
style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>May I suggest that since =
you’re a
beginning tuner, you might leave off “cracking the unisons” =
for a
while until you’re certain of some other things like stability, =
great
unisons, and good octaves? If you don’t have these, I =
wouldn’t
focus on cracking unisons, although it does work well once you’ve
established the primary skills. It’s like learning to crawl before
walking. But, I’m not vision impaired, and it might indeed work =
well for
you. Just a friendly suggestion.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span =
style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>John =
Formsma<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span =
style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font =
size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> =
pianotech-bounces@ptg.org
[mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] <b><span =
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf
Of </span></b>pianotune05@comcast.net<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Saturday, January =
07, 2006
10:08 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Pianotech<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: felt mutes =
-- was RE:
Working while tuning</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span =
style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Hi John,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span =
style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>I didn' t see the action cloth in schaff. I =
wonder if
it's in a different section than the regular temperment felt. I =
might
check it out, although I like cracking the unisons a little better, I =
might
revist cloth again.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on"><font =
size=3
face=Arial><span =
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Marshall</span></font></st1:=
place></st1:City><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span =
style='font-size:
12.0pt'>-------------- Original message -------------- <br>
From: "John Formsma" <john@formsmapiano.com> =
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><u1:City u2:st="on"><u1:place =
u2:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on"><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span =
style='font-size:10.0pt;
=
font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Marshall</span></font></st1:place></st1:Cit=
y></u1:place></u1:City><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span =
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span =
style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span =
style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Action cloth is what I use. It will =
last
practically forever. When I ordered it about four years ago, I think it =
was the
medium white cloth. You might want to order two different kinds to make =
sure
you get the correct thickness.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span =
style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span =
style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>John</span></font><font size=2 =
color=navy
face="Bodoni MT"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Bodoni =
MT";
color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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MT"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Bodoni =
MT";color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span =
style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font =
size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of =
</span></b>pianotune05@comcast.net<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Saturday, January =
07, 2006
7:33 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Pianotech<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: felt mutes =
-- was RE:
Working while tuning</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span =
style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span =
style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Hi John,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span =
style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>would extra thin temperment strip work in the =
trebble?
I've tried muting the trebble before, but I didn't have an extra thin
temperment strip. I ordered one from Schaff. =
</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><u1:City u2:st="on"><u1:place =
u2:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on"><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span =
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Marshall</span></font></st1:place></st1:City><=
/u1:place></u1:City><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span =
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span =
style='font-size:
12.0pt'>-------------- Original message -------------- <br>
From: "John Formsma" <john@formsmapiano.com> =
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span =
style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>David,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span =
style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span =
style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Yeah, it was in an upright. Been a =
long
time ago.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span =
style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span =
style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Have you tried using a strip of =
action
cloth in the treble of verticals? (About 0.090 thick, I think, and cut =
down the
middle.) Pulling the strip out bit by bit surely beats moving mutes =
around,
especially when you get toward the end of the treble where you run out =
of room
for the wire handles. You also don’t have to finagle around the =
dampers.
I save some time that way, as it takes me 1 – 1 ½ minutes to =
strip the
entire piano. I know I spend more than that moving mutes. But it’s =
whatever
works best for you.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span =
style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span =
style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>John</span></font><font size=2 =
color=navy
face="Bodoni MT"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Bodoni =
MT";
color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span =
style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font =
size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>David Ilvedson<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, January 06, =
2006
10:06 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> pianotech@ptg.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: felt mutes =
-- was RE:
Working while tuning</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span =
style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span =
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Your tuning
too many uprights...;-] Felt wedges don't fall out of =
grands...<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span =
style='font-size:12.0pt'>I do use
them in uprights...haven't had any fall out if I can get them between =
the
unisons...but I do have to go to thin rubber mutes in the =
treble...<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3 face="Times New =
Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>I gave up on temp strips years ago...SAT III, =
my ears
and 2 mutes<br>
<br>
David Ilvedson, RPT<br>
<u3:place u4:st="on"><u3:City u4:st="on"><u1:place =
u2:st="on"><u1:City u2:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on"><st1:City =
w:st="on">Pacifica</u3:City></u1:place></u1:City></st1:City>,
<u3:State u4:st="on"><u1:State u2:st="on"><st1:State =
w:st="on">California</u3:State></u3:State></u3:place></st1:State></st1:=
place><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Original =
message<br>
From: "John Formsma" <br>
<JOHN@FORMSMAPIANO.COM>To: Pianotech <br>
<PIANOTECH@PTG.ORG>Received: 1/6/2006 7:10:48 PM<br>
Subject: RE: felt mutes -- was RE: Working while =
tuning<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span =
style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Thanks, =
Terry.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span =
style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span =
style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I’ve never used a felt wedge =
except
once when I tried it in the bass. It kept falling out, so I didn’t =
use it
again. I like to strip mute the bass…for speed. Actually, my MO =
for
verticals is to strip the entire piano, but tune unisons as I go, =
pulling out
the felt when moving to the next string set. It’s quite a =
bit
faster than moving mutes. Grands are sometimes done this way, but the =
action
cloth I use for verticals is not quite thick enough for some grands, so =
most of
the time I use the large rubber wedges (w/o the wire.) I =
wouldn’t
think the narrow rubber mutes would do that well in a grand, although =
you can
make anything work if you want to. </span></font><font size=2 =
color=navy
face=Wingdings><span =
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:navy'>J</span></fon=
t><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span =
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span =
style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span =
style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>John Formsma</span></font><font =
size=2
color=navy face="Bodoni MT"><span =
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Bodoni MT";
color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span =
style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span =
style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font =
size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Farrell<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, January 06, =
2006
7:41 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Pianotech<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: felt mutes =
-- was RE:
Working while tuning</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span =
style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span =
style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Whereas I've never tried a large rubber wedge, I have =
tried
the regular rubber mutes in the past that I use on uprights. On grands, =
I find
that the felt mutes are easier to insert, are very stable (stay where =
you put
them), and mute exceptionally well. You can also place them fairly =
loosely in
place and still mute well - I always wondered how jamming those rubber =
mutes in
between strings might be affecting the pitch of a string that was =
already
tuned.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span =
style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span =
style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>They just seem to work better to =
me.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span =
style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span =
style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>And besides, they don't make that screeching =
noise that
a rubber mute can sometimes make!</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span =
style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span =
style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Terry Farrell<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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