<HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; = -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; "><BR><DIV><DIV>On 6-jan-2006, at = 23:43, <A href="mailto:b98tu@t-online.de">b98tu@t-online.de</A> = wrote:</DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE = type="cite"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: = separate; -khtml-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; = -khtml-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: = MS Sans Serif; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: = normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; = -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; = -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; = white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><DIV><FONT = face="Arial"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: = Arial; ">No they don´t and there are good physical reasons why they = don´t. (</SPAN></FONT><FONT face="Arial"><SPAN = class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial; ">You will find = not one tuner at Steinway (at least in Hamburg) who is allowed to = service concerts with an ETD for example). T</SPAN></FONT><FONT = face="Arial"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: = Arial; ">his has nothing to do with traditionalism or ignorance to = modern technology.</SPAN></FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT face="Arial"><SPAN = class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial; ">Most modern = ETD´s are doing fast fourier transformation (FFT) for pitch = calculation.</SPAN></FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT face="Arial"><SPAN = class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial; ">Be sure, the = he ear has no FFT transformator... </SPAN></FONT><FONT = face="Arial"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: = Arial; ">There is a big difference in what you get measured and what you = hear.</SPAN></FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT face="Arial"><SPAN = class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial; ">In some ETD = manuals you find sometimes statements of "0.1 Hz = accuracy"</SPAN></FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT face="Arial"><SPAN = class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial; ">This is true = for a signal that would not float in pitch over more than 2 or 3 = seconds to catch enough samples at the current possible = samplerates</SPAN></FONT><FONT face="Arial"><SPAN = class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial; ">. = P</SPAN></FONT><FONT face="Arial"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" = style="font-family: Arial; ">iano sounds are a really nonlinear matter = that can float in pitch up to some Hz over a second, when = strucked firm. By transforming a signal from the time domain into the = frequency domain with the desired accuracy (what most ETD´s do), you = loose the information when a singal passes exactly what frequency at = what time. </SPAN></FONT><FONT face="Arial"><SPAN = class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial; ">Tuning with an = ETD makes it necessary to tune at low volume levels (Pitch float is less = at low volume levels). A good aural tuner tune with a firm = struck, to</SPAN></FONT><FONT face="Arial"><SPAN = class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial; "> = </SPAN></FONT><FONT face="Arial"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" = style="font-family: Arial; ">catch also the transient phase of the = sound at higher volumes. Low volume tuning is like not voicing the left = pedal, it leaves the transient phase untuned. But sometimes it may = happen, that the pianist also use volumes above = mp...</SPAN></FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT = face="Arial"></FONT> </DIV><DIV><FONT face="Arial"><SPAN = class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial; ">Bernhard = Stopper</SPAN></FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT = face="Arial"></FONT> </DIV><DIV><FONT = face="Arial"></FONT> </DIV><DIV><FONT face="Arial"><SPAN = class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial; ">Qui habet = aures audiendi = audiat</SPAN></FONT></DIV></SPAN></BLOCKQUOTE><BR></DIV><DIV>-------------= --------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----------------------------------------------------------------</DIV><DIV= ><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><BR = class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Never the = less..........</DIV><DIV><BR = class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>After having tuned all the = piano's in the world, so to speak, I am still mightily happy with my = Verituner.</DIV><DIV>I have tuned a great number of piano's with the = Verituner since about 2000, and you know what?</DIV><DIV>about every = tuning I made with the aid of this invention of Dave Carpenter turned = out to be the very best tuning I have ever made in my whole life, = with the acceptance of one tuning which was my final exam tuning at = Yamaha in Hamamatsu.</DIV><DIV>That tuning was just as good as the = average Verituner tuning.</DIV><DIV><BR = class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>I t was a shocking = discovery, let me tell you....</DIV><DIV><BR = class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><BR><DIV> <SPAN = class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; 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