<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" = xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" = xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" = xmlns:st1="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" = xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> <head> <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; = charset=us-ascii"> <meta name=ProgId content=Word.Document> <meta name=Generator content="Microsoft Word 10"> <meta name=Originator content="Microsoft Word 10"> <link rel=File-List href="cid:filelist.xml@01C57BE3.AC85F520"> <o:SmartTagType = namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="time"/> <o:SmartTagType = namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="date"/> <o:SmartTagType = namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="PersonName"/>  <style>  </style>  </head> <body bgcolor=white lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple = style='tab-interval:.5in'> <div class=Section1> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span = style='font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>The problem with Steinway pianos is = that the key ratios are all over the place so you can’t assume a = particular knuckle dimension will work with a particular vintage. <span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>You need to measure each one individually.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'>  </span>I find it = more the exception that a 17 mm knuckle does not work and the action requires a = shorter dimension. <span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>The <span = class=SpellE>Ronsen</span> hammers made with the light maple moldings tend to be lighter than the = Steinway hammers whose moldings are denser wood, though the relative amounts of = felt on the hammers can change that. <span = style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span = style='font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <div> <p><font size=2 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span = style='font-size:10.0pt; color:navy;mso-no-proof:yes'>David Love<br> </span></font><st1:PersonName><font size=2 color=navy><span = style='font-size: = 10.0pt;color:navy;mso-no-proof:yes'>davidlovepianos@comcast.net</span></f= ont></st1:PersonName><font size=2 color=navy><span = style='font-size:10.0pt;color:navy;mso-no-proof:yes'> = </span></font><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 = face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original = Message-----<br> <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> = pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] <b><span = style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b></span></font><st1:PersonName><font size=2 = face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>Barbara = Richmond</span></font></st1:PersonName><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span = style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'><br> <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, June 28, = 2005 1:02 PM<br> <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Pianotech<br> <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: knuckle = size/ knuckle mounting distance</span></font></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 = face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 = face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>As always, Dale and David, = thanks for your insight.   </span></font><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 = face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 = face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I understand the hammer = weight thing.  Let me add that this rebuilder found that the 17 = mm provided a bit too much leverage for most projects and wished New York produced a = shank with a 16.5 mm distance.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 = face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 = face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>By any chance (though I = know there are always exceptions) would 16.5 tend to work better in the earlier = S&S pianos? </span></font><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 = face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>   = </span></font><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 = face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Are Ronsen Wurzen = hammers generally lighter than NY S&S?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 = face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 = face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 = face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 = face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Thanks,</span></font><o:p></= o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 = face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 = face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Barbara = Richmond</span></font><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 = face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 = face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 = face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 = face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 = face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>----- Original Message ----- = <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid black = 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt; margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'= > <div style='font-color:black'> <p class=MsoNormal = style='margin-left:.5in;background:#E4E4E4'><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span = style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>From:</span= ></font></b><font size=2 face=Arial><span = style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a href="mailto:davidlovepianos@comcast.net" = title="davidlovepianos@comcast.net">David Love</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=2 = face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>To:</span><= /font></b><font size=2 face=Arial><span = style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org" = title="pianotech@ptg.org">'Pianotech'</a> = <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=2 = face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span= ></font></b><font size=2 face=Arial><span = style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Tuesday, June 28, 2005 12:48 PM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=2 = face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</s= pan></font></b><font size=2 face=Arial><span = style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> RE: knuckle size/ knuckle mounting distance<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 = face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> </div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 = color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p>= </span></font></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 = color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p>= </span></font></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3 = face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 = color=navy face=Arial><span = style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I would use Renner knuckles.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'>  </span>The = size will depend on the location.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'>  = </span>The farther down the balancier, the bigger they tend to be.<span = style='mso-spacerun:yes'>  </span>Choice of 16.5 over 17 should depend on the overall leverage as = it relates to the hammer weight, not a personal preference.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'>  </span><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 = color=navy face=Arial><span = style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p>= </span></font></p> <div> <p style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color=navy face="Times = New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:navy;mso-no-proof:yes'>David Love<br> <a = href="mailto:davidlovepianos@comcast.net">davidlovepianos@comcast.net</= a> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.5in'><font size=2 = face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original = Message-----<br> <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> = pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] <b><span = style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Barbara Richmond<br> <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> = </span></font><st1:date Year="2005" Day="28" Month="6"><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span = style='font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>Tuesday, June 28, = 2005</span></font></st1:date><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span = style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> </span></font><st1:time Minute="12" Hour="8"><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span = style='font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Tahoma'>8:12 AM</span></font></st1:time><font size=2 = face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'><br> <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Pianotech<br> <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> knuckle size/ = knuckle mounting distance</span></font><o:p></o:p></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.5in'><font size=3 = face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.5in'><font size=2 = face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Hey Dale Erwin (and = all),</span></font><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.5in'><font size=3 = face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.5in'><font size=2 = face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Long time ago we were = talking about moving/replacing knuckles.   I'm ready--um.... well, I = have a friend who has all the equipment, anyway.  ;-)  = </span></font><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.5in'><font size=3 = face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.5in'><font size=2 = face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>So, I'm ready to order knuckles.  One time you recommended the ones by Tokiwa.  I = looked in the Pianotek catalog and saw that the Tokiwa knuckles only come in 10mm diameter.   I guess you wouldn't use them if it was a = problem, but have you ever run into a case where that size just won't work regulation wise?  </span></font><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.5in'><font size=3 = face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.5in'><font size=2 = face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I have a couple = sets of shanks and flanges downstairs and I haven't measured their width yet, so maybe = I'm jumping the gun.   Perhaps I should just wait until I have the = pianos in hand and can test different shanks & = knuckles.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.5in'><font size=3 = face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.5in'><font size=2 = face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I also had a private e-mail = from someone who said he doesn't like 17 mm knuckle distance, but prefers 16.5.  = After using the 17 mm knuckle distance on the Big, dead hall D and having to = set the key dip pretty deep (but no complaints from pianists), I am wondering if = 16.5 mm distance and a bigger knuckle (or not) would be better than 17 = mm.  </span></font><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.5in'><font size=3 = face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.5in'><font size=2 = face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>The pianos that will probably get these sets of shanks and flanges are 1920s (or = give or take a few years) Steinways.  One B and the other an = L.    I'd like to just have these sets ready and waiting for convenience sake = and also, because my friend with the equipment is available now.  = </span></font><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.5in'><font size=3 = face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.5in'><font size=2 = face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>What would you = do?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.5in'><font size=3 = face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.5in'><font size=2 = face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Thanks,</span></font><o:p></= o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.5in'><font size=3 = face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.5in'><font size=2 = face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Barbara = Richmond</span></font><o:p></o:p></p> </div> </blockquote> </div> </body> </html>