<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1" = http-equiv=Content-Type> <META content="MSHTML 5.00.2919.6307" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi Mark</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> I'm aware of the many amazing = properties of shellac but it just never occurred to me to try it in this application = until you guys tweaked my duh! barrier.  This might be my answer.I'm in the = middle of a plate job that is a very long and arduous story.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>    Thanks</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>  Dale Erwin</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: = 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B> <A href="mailto:bases-loaded@juno.com" title=bases-loaded@juno.com>bases-loaded@juno.com</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org" title=pianotech@ptg.org>pianotech@ptg.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, July 01, 2001 = 2:00 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Fw: Plate Finish, = was Varsol</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV>Hi Dale -</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>It would be very unlikely for you to have a bleed thru = problem like you describe if you used shellac as your barrier coat.  It is an amazingly reliable coating, sticks to anything, isolates contaminants, = and provides a film that virtually any top coat will have good adhesion = to, esp, if you use the dewaxed version.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>FWIW</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Mark Potter</DIV> <DIV><A = href="mailto:bases-loaded@juno.com">bases-loaded@juno.com</A></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>On Sun, 1 Jul 2001 11:02:09 -0700 "Erwinpiano" <<A = href="mailto:Erwinpiano@email.msn.com">Erwinpiano@email.msn.com</A>>= writes:</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 10px; = PADDING-LEFT: 10px"> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>  Terry </FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Is the primer you use before = spraying the laquer an enamel or just something compatible with laquer? Is your = final result prone to chipping?, or does it stay a bit on the softer side = and set up harder over time. (which I like) Just curious as I am = experimenting with some different techniques including sandblasting to remove rust = and animal urine then building back up with automotive productsof = various kinds.Yes it's a pain but I've had some preexsistent stains return = to discolor spots in my final topcoats over time.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> Dale Erwin</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> </FONT></DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> = <A href="mailto:mfarrel2@tampabay.rr.com" title=mfarrel2@tampabay.rr.com>Farrell</A> </DIV> <DIV><B>To:</B> <A href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org" title=pianotech@ptg.org>pianotech@ptg.org</A> </DIV> <DIV><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, July 01, 2001 6:19 AM</DIV> <DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: Plate Finish, was Varsol</DIV></DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV>"Using shellac for the first coat should  prevent the fish = eye."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I don't use shellac, but I hear/read so much about it, I have = no doubt it is an excellent way to go. What I do use for my plates though, is = grey (any color is fine I'm sure) metal primer that I buy at the = auto-parts store. I just use it to hit areas that I have sanded through to the = bare metal. Sand lightly after dry. Then I finish with spray can gold = laquer. I like to just keep it simple. As long as I am using the spray can = laquer for the finish, I find it very easy to use the spray can primer. I have = had excellent results.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Terry Farrell <SPAN = id=__#Ath#SignaturePos__></SPAN> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- = </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B> <A href="mailto:baldyam@sk.sympatico.ca" title=baldyam@sk.sympatico.ca>jolly roger</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org" title=pianotech@ptg.org>pianotech@ptg.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, July 01, 2001 = 1:48 AM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE:S&S plate = touch up & Varsol</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite" cite></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Hi = Diane,<BR>          &nb= sp;    Varsol must be a Canadian type thing, for some thing you guy's = call some thing else.  Two great Nations separated by a common = language.  ( Churchill I think.)<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite" cite>None of the paint stores I went to = know what Varsol is......<BR><BR>I bought a good quality gold enamel = and one of those fill-it-yourself spray bottles.  It looks much = better <I>except for the fish-eyes</I></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Using shellac = for the first coat should  prevent the fish eye.  The = oxidization is probably attacking the finish from below.  Just a calculated = guess. Some of the more expert finishers could probably give advice in = this area.<BR>I have done one plate in this manner. The grey market = Yamaha just 2yrs ago.  The finish seems to be holding up OK. But more = time will tell.  Weather it will eventually eat it's way through again, = I do not know.  But I do know shellac can be a very effective sealer.  Leave for several days to harden, before applying = the finsh coat.<BR>Hope this may help.<BR>Regards Roger<BR><BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite" cite>Diane Hofstetter = </BLOCKQUOTE><BR></BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>