<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; = charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 5.50.4522.1800" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Since I was the one to originate the = suggestion that citizens should be armed I think it is appropriate that I respond = to you.</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B> <A title=Wimblees@aol.com = href="mailto:Wimblees@aol.com">Wimblees@aol.com</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, September 13, = 2001 10:38 AM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Dont know what to = say</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=arial,helvetica><FONT size=2>In a = message dated 9/12/01 9:28:45 PM Central Daylight Time, <BR><A href="mailto:ramsey@extremezone.com">ramsey@extremezone.com</A> = writes: <BR><BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px = solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px" TYPE="CITE">I agree with Carl. I have a permit to carry a concealed = weapon, and I'm <BR>still not allowed to carry one on an airline. I'm a very = analytical person, <BR>and have had extensive training in the = judicious use of deadly force. (Hey, <BR>everyone needs a hobby, right? Well, that = used to be one of mine.) I used to <BR>have a low level Reserve Sheriff qualification in California. I have fifteen <BR>years of extensive = combat training in small arms. <BR>   If I would have been = on a plane-load with five or six terrorists armed <BR>with knives, that = plane would never have crashed. I would have simply told <BR>the pilot to = get behind me and be ready to take the controls of the plane <BR>after = it was clear, and after we had dragged the body from the seat. <BR>   That's just the way it would have been, = period. <BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT lang=0 face=Arial = color=#000000 size=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"> <DIV><BR>Kevin <BR>May God have mercy on your soul. <BR><BR>You talk = the big talk. But I doubt very seriously if you have been able to do <BR>what = you claim. The circumstances on Tuesay might have been prevented if some = <BR>gun toting person would have been on board. But before that, many planes = <BR>would have had to make emergency landings, and probably crashed, if ordinary = <BR>citizens, who had a right to carry a gun, were on board = planes.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>This is speculative on your part.  = </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV> A single <BR>bullet in the wrong place can bring down a = plane full of people.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>Yes, and a single bullet in the right place can = save not only the plane but thousands of others.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV> Airline <BR>personnel have had hard enough time controlling = passengers who didn't like <BR>the fact that their plane was arriving = 10 minnets late. I can imagine some of <BR>them pulling a gun to get the = pilot to fly faster. <BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>Again your imagination is running wild.  You = assume nobody else is armed.  I can't imagine anyone dumb enough to pull = a gun</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>when he knows there are a dozen or more cooler = heads behind him that will fill his hip pockets so full of lead he can't stand up = to support the weight.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT></FONT></FONT><FONT = face=arial,helvetica><FONT lang=0 face=Arial color=#000000 size=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"><FONT size=2></FONT> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT><BR>A sky marshal is one thing. But to = allow any one else with a gun on a plane <BR>is a disaster waiting to happen. <BR></DIV><FONT size=2></FONT></FONT></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV><FONT face=arial,helvetica><FONT lang=0 face=Arial = color=#000000 size=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><FONT size=2>This hasn't been tried so it too is speculation.  Having plane loads of citizens that are = KNOWN to be unarmed is not a disaster waiting to happen.  Not any = more!!!  It just happened.  No speculation there.</FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Governments fear an armed citizenry, = ours included. I suspect the applied solution will be more of the same that = doesn't work.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Freedom will be the = victim.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I'm always amazed that some will = accept a huge risk, yet refuse a small risk to protect some favorite idea that = somehow the constitution is outdated or plain wrong.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>To those who are open minded, read = "The seven myths of gun control"  by Richard Poe.  You'll find that = some of the frontier towns had high murder rates, almost as high as New York and Washington DC.  Robbery, rape, theft or mugging tho were almost non-existant.  Women and children were safe living next to the = bordellos, saloons and gambling halls.  That was because the young hotheads = who shot it out in the streets knew that if they bothered any innocent citizen = they would be dead meat before they hit the ground.  Almost  = everybody was armed.  In spite of Hollywood, that was a relatively peaceful = era.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Oh! and yes, I think I'd like Kevin = to sit next to me on the plane.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Carl Meyer  Assoc. PTG<BR>Santa = Clara, California<BR><A = href="mailto:cmpiano@home.com">cmpiano@home.com</A>  </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV><FONT face=arial,helvetica><FONT lang=0 face=Arial = color=#000000 size=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"></FONT></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=arial,helvetica><FONT lang=0 face=Arial = color=#000000 size=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><BR>Wim <BR><BR></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></FONT></BODY></HTML>