<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; = charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 5.50.4522.1800" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV>"The base is too irregular from the casting and it took = <EM>forever</EM> to build up enough new material to smooth it out again."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>West System has several excellent additives for their epoxy for use = as fillers and fairing compounds. These materials mix up to like a = peanut-butter consistency, but are very low density (I usually use their microballons), go on real smooth AND SAND SUPER EASY. One of the = many things I like about good epoxy applied properly is that you don't ever = have to worry about it cracking off. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Terry Farrell <SPAN = id=__#Ath#SignaturePos__></SPAN> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B> <A title=Erwinpiano@email.msn.com href="mailto:Erwinpiano@email.msn.com">Erwinpiano</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, July 02, 2001 = 10:17 AM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Fw: Fw: Plate Finish, = was Varsol</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> Hi Diane</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>   Really it's ok.  = Some times sandblasting is the easiest way to get off layers of bad paint jobs or = japanning that is cracking/  I finding that there are so many = products to build up a flat finish from the automotive sector and it doesn't take = as long as you might think.  My nephew is an autobody whiz and is = incredibly knowledgeable with product experience.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Thanks</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Dale</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=dianepianotuner@hotmail.com href="mailto:dianepianotuner@hotmail.com">Diane Hofstetter</A> = </DIV> <DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A> </DIV> <DIV><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, July 01, 2001 10:47 PM</DIV> <DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: Fw: Plate Finish, was Varsol</DIV></DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV> <P>Dale,</P> <P>When I saw that you had tried sandblasting it, I immediately felt = sorry for you!  I tried that once too and still remember the = nightmare.  The base is too irregular from the casting and it took <EM>forever</EM> to = build up enough new material to smooth it out again. Good luck!</P> <P>Diane<BR><BR>Diane Hofstetter <BR>245-M Mount Hermon Rd.#343 = <BR>Scotts Valley, CA 95066 <BR>ph 831-438-6222 <BR>fax 831-430-9741 <BR>dianepianotuner@hotmail.com </P></DIV> <DIV></DIV> <DIV></DIV>>From: "Erwinpiano" <ERWINPIANO@EMAIL.MSN.COM> <DIV></DIV>>Reply-To: pianotech@ptg.org <DIV></DIV>>To: <PIANOTECH@PTG.ORG> <DIV></DIV>>Subject: Re: Fw: Plate Finish, was Varsol <DIV></DIV>>Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 20:32:16 -0700 <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>>Hi Mark <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>> I'm aware of the many amazing properties of shellac = but it just never occurred to me to try it in this application until you guys = tweaked my duh! barrier. This might be my answer.I'm in the middle of a plate = job that is a very long and arduous story. <DIV></DIV>> Thanks <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>> Dale Erwin <DIV></DIV>> ----- Original Message ----- <DIV></DIV>> From: bases-loaded@juno.com <DIV></DIV>> To: pianotech@ptg.org <DIV></DIV>> Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2001 2:00 PM <DIV></DIV>> Subject: Re: Fw: Plate Finish, was Varsol <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>> Hi Dale - <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>> It would be very unlikely for you to have a bleed thru = problem like you describe if you used shellac as your barrier coat. It is an = amazingly reliable coating, sticks to anything, isolates contaminants, and = provides a film that virtually any top coat will have good adhesion to, esp, if = you use the dewaxed version. <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>> FWIW <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>> Mark Potter <DIV></DIV>> bases-loaded@juno.com <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>> On Sun, 1 Jul 2001 11:02:09 -0700 "Erwinpiano" <ERWINPIANO@EMAIL.MSN.COM>writes: <DIV></DIV>> Terry <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>> Is the primer you use before spraying the laquer an = enamel or just something compatible with laquer? Is your final result prone to chipping?, or does it stay a bit on the softer side and set up harder = over time. (which I like) Just curious as I am experimenting with some = different techniques including sandblasting to remove rust and animal urine then = building back up with automotive productsof various kinds.Yes it's a = pain but I've had some preexsistent stains return to discolor spots in my final = topcoats over time. <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>> Dale Erwin <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>> ----- Original Message ----- <DIV></DIV>> From: Farrell <DIV></DIV>> To: pianotech@ptg.org <DIV></DIV>> Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2001 6:19 AM <DIV></DIV>> Subject: Re: Plate Finish, was Varsol <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>> "Using shellac for the first coat should prevent the = fish eye." <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>> I don't use shellac, but I hear/read so much about it, = I have no doubt it is an excellent way to go. What I do use for my plates = though, is grey (any color is fine I'm sure) metal primer that I buy at the = auto-parts store. I just use it to hit areas that I have sanded through to the = bare metal. Sand lightly after dry. Then I finish with spray can gold = laquer. I like to just keep it simple. As long as I am using the spray can = laquer for the finish, I find it very easy to use the spray can primer. I have = had excellent results. <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>> Terry Farrell <DIV></DIV>> ----- Original Message ----- <DIV></DIV>> From: jolly roger <DIV></DIV>> To: pianotech@ptg.org <DIV></DIV>> Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2001 1:48 AM <DIV></DIV>> Subject: RE:S&S plate touch up & Varsol <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>> Hi Diane, <DIV></DIV>> Varsol must be a Canadian type thing, for some thing = you guy's call some thing else. Two great Nations separated by a common = language. ( Churchill I think.) <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>> None of the paint stores I went to know what Varsol = is...... <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>> I bought a good quality gold enamel and one of those fill-it-yourself spray bottles. It looks much better except for the = fish-eyes <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>> Using shellac for the first coat should prevent the = fish eye. The oxidization is probably attacking the finish from below. Just a = calculated guess. Some of the more expert finishers could probably give advice in = this area. <DIV></DIV>> I have done one plate in this manner. The grey market = Yamaha just 2yrs ago. The finish seems to be holding up OK. But more time = will tell. Weather it will eventually eat it's way through again, I do not know. = But I do know shellac can be a very effective sealer. Leave for several days to = harden, before applying the finsh coat. <DIV></DIV>> Hope this may help. <DIV></DIV>> Regards Roger <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>> Diane Hofstetter <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV> <P></P>Diane Hofstetter <BR>245-M Mount Hermon Rd.#343 <BR>Scotts = Valley, CA 95066 <BR>ph 831-438-6222 <BR>fax 831-430-9741 = <BR>dianepianotuner@hotmail.com <BR><BR clear=all> <HR> Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at <A href="http://explorer.msn.com">http://explorer.msn.com</A><BR> <P></P></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>