<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; = charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2900.2802" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY> <DIV>"Renner USA is starting to produce = a "Wurzen" hammer that is somewhat different from the PB."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>David - what is PB?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Terry Farrell</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>----- Original Message ----- <DIV>From: "David Love" <<A href="mailto:davidlovepianos@comcast.net">davidlovepianos@comcast.net</A>></DIV> <DIV>To: "'Pianotech'" <<A href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A>></DIV> <DIV>Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 2:07 PM</DIV> <DIV>Subject: RE: Yamaha action with = Steinway/European hammers</DIV></DIV> <DIV> </DIV>>I would not characterize Ronsen as having a similar = approach to Steinway. > The unreinforced Bacon felt hammers bear little = resemblance to the > unreinforced Steinway hammers.  While they are both on = the soft side, the > control of the pressing through the set is much better = at Ronsen and > produces a hammer that does not always need to be = lacquered, unlike it's > counterpart.  As far as the Ronsen Wurzen's go, = they need little "building" > of tone.  > > Renner = USA is starting to produce a "Wurzen" hammer that is somewhat > different = from the PB.  Whether it is available for public comsumption or > = not I can't say.  Wurzen does make different types of felt and it may = be > that Renner is using more than one type. > > David = Love > <A href="mailto:davidlovepianos@comcast.net">davidlovepianos@comcast.net</A> > > -----Original Message----- > From: <A href="mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org">pianotech-bounces@ptg.org</A> [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf > Of Jeannie = Grassi > Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 9:59 AM > To: 'Pianotech' > = Subject: RE: Yamaha action with Steinway/European hammers > > I = think it is interesting that I have heard the term "Renner Würzens" used > lately.  Renner has always used Wurzen felt.  Their hammers = are the same as > we have been accustomed to, but with the introduction of = Wurzen felt to the > Ronsen line, I think Renner has felt it necessary = (no pun intended) to make > it known that they are using the same = felt.  > > I think what is more important than who is providing = the felt, is the way it > is used.  Ric makes a good comparison.  = Ronsons have always had a similar > approach to hammer-making as = Steinway:  Hammers very soft initially, with > the tone built into the = hammer.  Renners have always had the harder hammers > from their = pressing.  Bottom line....if they sound good for a specific > = application....use them.  Knowing which to use and when comes with > experience = and listening. > > Jeannie Grassi, RPT > Assistant = Editor, Piano Technicians Journal > <A = href="mailto:jcgrassi@earthlink.net">mailto:jcgrassi@earthlink.net</A> > > -----Original Message----- > From: = <A href="mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org">pianotech-bounces@ptg.org</A> [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf > Of Ric = Brekne > Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 6:30 AM > To: pianotech > Subject: = Yamaha action with Steinway/European hammers > > Hi Brad > = > I just put a set of Renner (Europe) Wurzens on a C6.  And the = result is > beautiful.  Renner Wurzens are slightly harder then = Ronsens I > understand, and require just a little needling to open up the = > sound....perhaps just a bit of lacqure on the highest and lowest notes = > to bring up the power.  I think the natural resiliency in the = Wurzen > felt has pretty much shown itself to be a very very desiable = quality in > hammers. > > btw... I also find that for most uses = a strike weight curve around the > top medium - 3/4  medium = range followed by a nice smoothing of the front > weights to match a 38 = gram BW yeilds an exceptional touch weight / > response combination when = combined with really good quality hammers and > voicing work. > = > I agree... the asian hammers I most often run into are very difficult to = > get a satisfactory (to me) voice out of.  That said... new high end = > Yamaha grands use Wurzen felt now I am told. > > Cheers > > RicB > > > Question is, does = anyone have insights on the benefits of putting different > hammers (i.e. = non hard-pressed types) onto an > excellent Yamaha action?   = ( I love the precision of the Japanese/Yamaha, > but I also serve = several pianists who are dyed in the wool Steinway people. > who don't = care for the tone of Asian hammers, even after careful-balanced > = voicing). > _______________________________________________ > pianotech list = info: <A href="https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives">https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives</A> <FON= T face=Arial size=2>> > > _______________________________________________ > pianotech list = info: <A href="https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives">https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives</A> <FON= T face=Arial size=2>> > > _______________________________________________ > pianotech list = info: <A href="https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives">https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives</A></BODY><= /HTML>