<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; = charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2900.2802" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY style="BORDER-TOP-STYLE: none; BORDER-RIGHT-STYLE: none; = BORDER-LEFT-STYLE: none; BORDER-BOTTOM-STYLE: none" bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>I"ve never seen a felt wedge Dave.  I'm = finally ordering my lever and other supplies today.  I'm going to look them = up in the catelog.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>Marshall</FONT></DIV> <DIV>----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B> <A title=ilvey@sbcglobal.net = href="mailto:ilvey@sbcglobal.net">David Ilvedson</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 05, = 2006 10:59 AM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Working while = tuning</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <P><BR>Wedges</P> <P><BR>David Ilvedson, RPT<BR>Pacifica, California<BR><BR><BR><BR></P> <DIV style="PADDING-RIGHT: 5px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 3px solid; PADDING-TOP: 5px"> <HR> Original message<BR>From: pianotune05 <PIANOTUNE05@COMCAST.NET><BR>To: = Pianotech <PIANOTECH@PTG.ORG><BR>Received: 1/5/2006 3:58:39 = AM<BR>Subject: Re: Working while tuning<BR><BR> <DIV align=left><FONT face=Arial size=2>HI Dave,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I thought about doing that.  = Which felts from pinao tech do you mean, the wedges, or temp strip?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Marshall</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B> <A title=ilvey@sbcglobal.net = href="mailto:ilvey@sbcglobal.net">David Ilvedson</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 05, = 2006 1:53 AM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Working while = tuning</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <P>Why not just use the temperment strip in the tenor while you = practice and work on your temperment.   As you extend into the bass and = treble use your rubber mutes.   Also consider getting some of the = felt mutes from Pianotek...expensive but so nice.   Also = remember to depress the sustain pedal before inserting the temp strip.  = Otherwise you can tear the damper wedges...</P> <P><BR>David Ilvedson, RPT<BR>Pacifica, = California<BR><BR><BR><BR></P> <DIV style="PADDING-RIGHT: 5px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 3px solid; PADDING-TOP: 5px"> <HR> Original message<BR>From: pianotune05@comcast.net<BR>To: Pianotech <PIANOTECH@PTG.ORG><BR>Received: 1/4/2006 8:43:59 PM<BR>Subject: Re: = Working while tuning<BR><BR> <DIV align=left><FONT face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Hi Bob,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>Thanks for the note.  When you mention = that I might miss feedback during tuning, what do you mean?  Do you = mean feedback from customers, the store staff, or the piano's various issues?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>I've thought about trying strip muting = again.  The red fel I obtained from my Poter course is sometimes a pain to = work with, and no Joe, I'm not slamming Randy Potter. I'm just stating a = fact since this is the only temperment felt I have.  I thought about = buying that green action cloth.  For some reason I have trouble muting = in the trebble and getting the loops right in the bass because the bi chord = unisons are so close together, I have trouble knowing which two pare up. The = fatness of the strings makes it a challange.  Is crackig the unisons a = farely new method, or is it popular among technicians?  </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>The good thing about tuning at that thrift = store was that I could hand out business cards to whomever approached = me.  I did have one kid standing on my briefcase that was lieing on its = side.  I kindly told his mother that next time I'll have a tool box for him = to stand on.  She yanked him away like an eagle yanks it's prey from its = resting place.  I told her in a friendly way to go easy on him, he just = wants to learn.  </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>Marshall</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff = 2px solid">-------------- Original message -------------- <BR>From: BobDavis88@aol.com <BR> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2800.1106" name=GENERATOR> <DIV> <DIV>In a message dated 1/4/2006 7:35:25 PM Pacific Standard Time, = pianotune05@comcast.net writes:</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue = 2px solid"><FONT face=Arial>It's real hard to tune in a thrift store</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Bookman Old Style">Marshall,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Bookman Old Style"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Bookman Old Style">One other possibility: Often = pianos wind up in thrift stores because they have structural = problems that make them untunable, such as a plate crack or separating pinblock. = Since your experience is limited, you might miss feedback during tuning = which will make this more obvious when you've tuned more. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Bookman Old Style"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Bookman Old Style">As far as the time it takes = to tune, it takes as long as it takes. It isn't a matter for either shame = or pride. Quality is what matters, although speed is desirable for a = number of reasons, including avoiding fatigue. Speed comes with experience = AND training. While there are specific speed skills that more = experienced tuners can share with you, you also just need mileage. = </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Bookman Old Style"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Bookman Old Style">You mentioned losing time = muting. Even if you were fully-sighted, I would suggest you learn some = strip-muting. Especially on pitch adjustments, this will save lots of time and = fumbling. You can also do things like leaving the tuning lever on = the previous pin until you are ready to move it. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Bookman Old Style"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Bookman Old Style">I don't know if you are a = PTG member. It might seem expensive to a tuner without much work, but it will = be the best investment you can make.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Bookman Old Style"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Bookman Old Style">Happy learning,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Bookman Old Style"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Bookman Old Style">Bob Davis</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Bookman Old Style">Stockton, CA = </FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></= HTML>