<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; = charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2800.1400" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>Phil, I know you talked a bit about this topic = before. I have tried it a couple times - and said "never again!" No doubt I am = doing something wrong. But when I have tried this I just end up with = individual strings anywhere from a half-step flat to a half-step sharp (or = worse???). No doubt the overall pitch of the piano was raised, but it's not as if I = can tune from that point - and even if I wanted to do an overall pitch adjustment = from that point, I wouldn't know whether to pull individual strings sharp or = flat to end up at pitch - because they are all over the place. Except for = putting additional tension on the plate, I don't seem to really get anywhere = doing this. And in many ways it is worse because of the haphazard result. Maybe = you've just got a much better feel for how much to turn the pin. If you do this on a = piano that, let's say, is 50 cents flat (so we could pitch raise in one pass = easily - or do you only do this when more than one PR pass is anticipated?), how = close to target pitch could you end up with a no-listen PR = pass?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>Terry Farrell</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>(snip)</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>> You could also do a no-listen = pitch raise, which involves tightening <BR>> every pin before tuning. Both of = these procedures are designed to help <BR>> stabilize once you get to pitch.<BR>> <BR>> Good Luck,<BR>> <BR>> Phil Bondi(Fl)</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>