<DIV>Dean,</DIV> <DIV>Found this in my spam filter box. I don't know why. Hope you didn't think me rude. Thanks for the reply!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Greg Newell Dean May <deanmay@pianorebuilders.com> wrote:</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">>>The relative pitch in a drafty but otherwise temperature constant hall is firm but the unisons don't stay all that well. I usually don't have problems with stability but this one is tough. It seems that the dealers tech, who was called out to try and search out the problem too, also had trouble with pitch stability as I went there days later and the unisons were not that clear. You say it is a drafty hall. I've seen lack of moisture cause a piano to loose substantial amounts of singing tone. Maybe it dried out in the church. Dean Dean May cell 812.239.3359 PianoRebuilders.com 812.235.5272 Terre Haute IN 47802 -----Original Message----- From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org]On Behalf Of Greg Newell Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 5:19 PM To: Pianotech@ptg.org Subject: Grotrian lost it's singing tone Greetings list, I wonder if some or you wouldn't care to share your insight about a weird issue I am having with a 7' Grotrian. Some time ago i asked this list if money were not much of an issue which piano of this size would you be most likely to buy. Many good responses came to that query and the church's music director finally purchased 2 pianos. The purchases were the aforementioned Grotrian and a 7' Pleyel. The Pleyel found it's home in the choir room and the Grotrian is on stage in the sanctuary of this rather large old church. The sanctuary has e x t r e m e l y high ceilings. Since the delivery of this piano the music director and I have been going round and round trying to pin point and even find the correct words to describe something strange which the music director calls a loss of it's singing tone. I think that the best way he recently described it to me was an initial strong attack but an immediate drop in power with a less than original sustain. A thorough examination of the piano found no problem with a loss of crown or downbearing. There was no problem with the strings regarding false beats or the like. The voicing was even and untouched from the dealer prep it had received. In the space of 3 days after delivery the character of the instrument changed. The one oddity we found after some poking around one day was that after attaching a piece of wire to 2 strings of a unison, ala the patented staple technology, the sound was noticeably improved. While attaching the wire (temporarily) knocked both strings out of tune, they did not exibit the lack of power that is evident without the "staple". I'd be interested to hear about any observations you all might have had with freshly delivered instruments exhibiting a loss of "singing tone" and what you have done about it. I'd also be interested to hear what experience along these lines that you may have had with the patented staple technology. The music director is getting no response from his recent email to Grotrian although others prior to this were answered almost immediately. It would be great to have a replacement piano according to him but what if the new one exhibits the same problems says I. Thoughts? Greg Newell Greg's piano Forté mailto:gnewell@ameritech.net _______________________________________________ pianotech list info: https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives _______________________________________________ pianotech list info: https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives</BLOCKQUOTE>